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post #1 of 46 Old 03-05-2009, 08:08 PM Thread Starter
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Freaking Lug Nuts! *Conflict Resolved*

I need help. I had Firestone rebalanced and rotate my tires a little while back... Well the dumb ****s torqued my lug nuts down to 200+ ft pounds. I got the first 3 lugs off on my front passenger wheel using a 3' breaker bar (in which I was jumping up and down on and I weigh 200 pounds.) The last two just rounded off. After screwing with them for about an hour, I got 1 off, then after another 1.5 hours the last one was down to a 5/8" socket, so I went and bought some easy outs. Came right out and I thought I was home free. I had torqued the other ones back down to help with the stuck one, and what do you know? From being so tight, the metal was softened, and one just rounded off. This ones worse than the other one, my easy outs wont grip it.

I tried heat, PB blaster, easy outs, smaller sockets, etc. HELP!


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post #2 of 46 Old 03-05-2009, 08:15 PM
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Cut them off with a grinder or pound a smaller socket on to them. You might be able to cut flats on them for a smaller socket to grab too.
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post #3 of 46 Old 03-05-2009, 08:17 PM Thread Starter
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I have the 93-95 rims, no room for a grinder. Way past smaller sockets too. Im gonna call Firestone tomorrow. They're gonna screw with it and give me a new set of lug nuts.

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post #4 of 46 Old 03-05-2009, 08:21 PM
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You may want to think about new studs too.

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post #5 of 46 Old 03-05-2009, 08:36 PM
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^ too, 200 ft/ pounds is a retarded amount of torque. The most we use at work ("quick lane" tech at a ford dealer) is 140 ft/lb's and that's only for the 6+ lug and 21mm vehicles.
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Try using a cold chisel and a hammer to cut down the side of the lug. I had to do this on mine. If you do it right you can cut it enough without damaging the stud to get the lug off.

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did you use the wrong size socket to begin with because a stud will snap way long before you round off a lug, its also the first time i have ever heard of a lug rounding off try using a extractor for rounded bolts but im not sure it will fit in the wheel opening

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I knw with my 93 ZJ the lugs have a metal cap on them that can come off. I had that problem on mine, the previous owner had damaged the lugs and I had a a fun time trying to get them off. But I agree if you are using the right socket they shouldn't round off else they are already damged.

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Right size socket to begin with.

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Use a BIG BFH and hammer a smaller 12 pt socket on it. Hit it with the impact if you got one. Or use the breaker bar.... I don't think your past this stage yet.
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There are alot of tricks...

One I used recently, well, thursday...I took a socket that was a size smaller, (the nut was rounded) I heated the socket with the torches, red hot...then stuck an extension in the end, some cold weld in the socket end removed it from the vice, hammered it on the nut after puttin a thinner flame on the lug....went and got lunch, let it cool....slowly turned the breaker bar, applying more and more pressure until it broke loose....

Now apparently, I didnt have to be so careful with the pressure, I was worried that it was gonna slip off, but, right now, the socket is permafused to the lug lol...I should go take a pic...

Put that in your books boys....I'm gonna use it forever....well, whenever bolt outs dont fit anyway...heh

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The stock lugs on the earlier ZJ's are the stupidest things to ever be put near a wheel. I had one on my right front fuse in place and strip out. In the process of getting it off my wheel was destroyed. Thankfully the pick a part wasn't closed down yet so I managed to get a replacement for only $25 I think. And I was putting new tires on (hence why I wanted it off in the first place), so I wasn't worried about the tire either.

I got off lucky. I tell everyone I come across to get rid of the original lug nuts and put aftermarket ones on in their place. The money spent on replacements MORE than covers the replacement of a wheel and tires when one of them does what happened to the OP.

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Believe me, if you read the OP, im waaaaaaaaay past the smaller socket idea. The lug nut is down to where I can fit a 5/8" socket over it and still have it spin. I've heated it up, but my propane torch isn't cutting it. I've NEVER had a problem with the lug nuts before, until they touched them.

Do you guys feel they should give me a new set of lug nuts? I just called them and he said "they couldn't have been over torqued, we use torque wrenches." He said to bring it in, but sounded annoyed about it. I think it's fair for them to replace all the lug nuts and get any stuck ones off (im sure the others wont be any different.) If they want to be stingy about it, I can bring up my time and the money spent on easy outs and hex keys...

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Well i took it over to Firestone. It took them 2 hours to replace all the lug nuts. They ended up having to cut 2 off with a torch (burned my rims at that) and replaced a few studs. I had to fight with them to replace the lug nuts, but it's done. Thanks guys.

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But they burned your rims...so it's not done...

Don't bend down man...stand your ground...give em hell....they don't have any more power over you...

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