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post #1 of 28 Old 05-20-2016, 01:34 AM Thread Starter
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European or USA headlights?

Hello jeepers,
I own an 1998 zj 5.9lx and I live in the Netherlands, Europe.
The zj's over here have electric height control for the headlights, so if you are heavy loaded of pulling an heavy trailer you can adjust the height of your headlights with an switch in the car.
But now I want to build smoked lights at the front, I already got the corner and bumper lights but some of the headlights that I see on eBay are different then mine.
I don't mind spending money but I want to buy the right product.
Could anyone tell me the difference between the European and USA headlights?

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post #2 of 28 Old 05-20-2016, 02:44 AM
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American lense are plastic and euro are glass.
You do know that it is illegal to have smoked headlights on public roads anywhere in europe right?
Its white or yellow at the front thats allowed..

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American lense are plastic and euro are glass.
You do know that it is illegal to have smoked headlights on public roads anywhere in europe right?
Its white or yellow at the front thats allowed..
Thank you for your reply
Is the connection at the back the same so I don't have a problem with installation?
I'm not going to use the original h4 bulb but bi-xenon morimoto and they are allowed.
The light is even better then the original h4 bulbs.
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I do believe the European lights use different clips on the back of the light. I imagine it has to do with the leveling system you were speaking of.

Its possible to use the US clips on european lights as Ive seen it done. You should be able to reuse your clips if you dont break them getting them off. Or possibly just buy new european clips and take the US clips out.

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I do believe the European lights use different clips on the back of the light. I imagine it has to do with the leveling system you were speaking of.

Its possible to use the US clips on european lights as Ive seen it done. You should be able to reuse your clips if you dont break them getting them off. Or possibly just buy new european clips and take the US clips out.
Ok, thanks all lot for your help.
Now I know what to buy
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I'm afraid the difference between the USA headlights and European headlights are bigger then I thought.
The back of the headlights on eBay are different then mine.





Maybe it's possible to change the glass?
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Yeah, the e-codes use a different bulb so the mounting and connector is different. The housings should be physically the same as the e-codes work in the US header panels fine.

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Just buy the proper e-code headlights for the headlight-leveling version you have. As far as I know, the headlight leveling system is mandatory across all EU- countries after something like mid-90s if the vehicle came stock with the system.
The non-leveling headlights won't work anyways, mounting system is not the same. Headlight mounts are the same between e-codes and DOT headlights only if the EU- market ZJ does NOT have headlight leveling.


That being said, DOT sealed beam headlights are very crappy anyways, and the better DOT- lights with separate bulbs aren't that big of an improvement due to the not-so-good light pattern compared to e-codes - You want the e-codes

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You do know that it is illegal to have smoked headlights on public roads .
ONLY if all you have are 2 head lights. There are no rules on where the headlights are located other then the front [ not on roof ] or how many. I have 6, by law only 2 must be clear white.

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ONLY if all you have are 2 head lights. There are no rules on where the headlights are located other then the front [ not on roof ] or how many. I have 6, by law only 2 must be clear white.
The end of his sentence was "in europe". Are you saying that ohio is in europe? Or maybe that the netherlands are actually in Ohio?

In CA it is illegal to smoke factory headlights, thats the law, because the law is different in different places.

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ONLY if all you have are 2 head lights. There are no rules on where the headlights are located other then the front [ not on roof ] or how many. I have 6, by law only 2 must be clear white.
No rules?

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4501-15-01 Headlights

(B) Height - Every headlamp upon every vehicle, including every motorcycle and motor-driven cycle, shall be located at a height measured from the center of the headlamp of not more than fifty-four inches nor less than twenty-four inches to be measured as set forth in section 4513.03 of the Revised Code.
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Honestly guys, i'm not worried about any DOT or EU signs.
The police won't give you a hard time here as long as your beam is good.
My problem is that I think the headlight won't fit.
Please have a look at the pictures and see the difference.
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Look above what I posted - DOT or "normal" e-codes won't fit. You need the ones designed for headlight leveling system.

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Look above what I posted - DOT or "normal" e-codes won't fit. You need the ones designed for headlight leveling system.
thanks, do think it's possible to swap the glass?
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thanks, do think it's possible to swap the glass?
As far as I know, they should be about the same measurement between OEM- type headlight housings. If you go aftermarket.. well.. who knows.

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