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post #1 of 15 Old 09-18-2009, 07:20 PM Thread Starter
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Deathwobble caused by steering box, next step

So i had a post recently about how i fixed the DW by replacing the original beat up steering dampener. Someone cursed me and stated the obvious "It wasn't over" and alas it isnt. I've narrowed it down however to the steering box, everything is tight but not tight enough, the box was originally loose to begin with (not by much) so i torqued it back to the factory specs. This worked for a while, but it was more about the actuall gears in the box and the play (1-2 inchs in the steering wheel) I have been told it is the box thats gotta be replaced, is there any last chance attempt? Possibly fluid? (its pretty gunky)

I have used the allen key method and tightened the steering, but no matter how tight or how loose the wheel itself still has around 2 inchs of play. Depending on how tight or lose i can make the DW occur at different speed and and different sensitivities, tight and it occurs 20-50mph, loose sloppy steering and its happens at 40+ mph.

If i do have to change the steering box out, is it just usually the box? or should i be looking at something else as well? What is the best option, i have been replacing and fixing linkage, suspension, etc with bigger stronger stuff as it breaks, are there aftermarket boxs? Can someone point me in the right direction? ive seen boxs from 100-800 depending on new, used, rebulit.

How long should a box last? I'm at 80,000 miles right now, is that normal?

I have a 1997 4.0 jeep grand cherokee zj with a 3.5 inch lift kit, my kit was a hybrid IRO with alot of new stuff as well. I had 4 springs, both adjustable track bars, new tie rod, new steering stabilizer, 4 new shocks, and swar bar linkage. The jeep is at 80,000 miles

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post #2 of 15 Old 09-18-2009, 07:25 PM
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You have to change it out with a good one. Don't try your luck with a used one.

My first one was bad, caused DW. I adjusted it and it went away but adjusting it wears them out quickly. DW was eventually back.

In went the second box (used) which turned out to be worse. So I added a second HD SS on top of the factory one and all is well (I understand this is a band aid, but funding a new box and replacing it is something I don't feel like doing anytime soon).
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How much did you spend? Im getting scared, it comes at the worst possible timing financially. I want to do it right the first time though.

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How much did you spend? Im getting scared, it comes at the worst possible timing financially. I want to do it right the first time though.
The 2nd box I got for free. I still have to source/fund a new box but a $50 SS is keeping me from going insane over DW in the meantime.
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post #5 of 15 Old 09-18-2009, 07:33 PM
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hey paddingtonbear where in california are you? i have to replace my steering box ill help you if you are near me lol

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Yea, I could drive mine for about 2 weeks before it got so bad, Its not safe for use right now. I've been told 1700 for a new box and installation, im almost thinking of buying a craigslist truck, something stock just to use to get around and wait on this one until i have the money. I've had offers from friends, 3000-5000 as is, as the truck is in perfect shape and low milleage with a nice little lift. I just can't sell it, not over this. Its tempting though, alot of v8 full sized pickups going cheap around where im at, no one wants to pay for gas.

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hey paddingtonbear where in california are you? i have to replace my steering box ill help you if you are near me lol
Bay area buddy, your in socal? I'd be up for it, but i dont think my AAA 100 mile free tow will get me down to where your at.

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lol ya not gonna happen o well

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How much are you adjusting it at once, 1/4 turn, full turn?
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The 2nd box I got for free. I still have to source/fund a new box but a $50 SS is keeping me from going insane over DW in the meantime.
Dude, I have 2 more boxes for you to try.

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i have the same exact problem. IF you don't want to replace the box right away get the rancho SS. It's pure beef and 100% stopped my death wobble. And i had it BAD! i could DW on demand.

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Yea, I could drive mine for about 2 weeks before it got so bad, Its not safe for use right now. I've been told 1700 for a new box and installation, im almost thinking of buying a craigslist truck, something stock just to use to get around and wait on this one until i have the money. I've had offers from friends, 3000-5000 as is, as the truck is in perfect shape and low milleage with a nice little lift. I just can't sell it, not over this. Its tempting though, alot of v8 full sized pickups going cheap around where im at, no one wants to pay for gas.
1700 is bonkers. I'm in the same boat with you. I've priced them around here for around 500(just the box) I put on a second steering stabilizer from Kevins off-road and it has helped alot but I think its still there(havn't had it on the highway yet) My next step is a new box.

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1700 including labor, its my DD and with school starting up i have work/school 7 days a week for the next 6 months. Work is a good 60 miles each way, so i really don't have all the time to tinker with it like i would like. It sucks, but these are the issues with being a full time worker and student. I'm pricing around, my mechanic i always go to dosn't provide parts, he runs a custom botique that works on super cars primarily, but he loves off-road vehicles and enjoys working on my jeep as a change of pace from all the Ferraris and Lambos he works on. He is only going to charge me for 3 hours which is 300, but hes pretty slow since he works on mine in his free time (hence the cheap labor rate for his level of service), So im kinda in a pickle. Anyone know where i can pick up a good box at a good price? are there any boxs that are better then a standard mopar? any rebuilt or custom boxs?

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rockauto has some remans fairly inexpensive. Not sure if you wanna go there. Summit has this box
AGR 262352 - AGR Super Box 2 Steering Boxes - Overview - SummitRacing.com
It might work, or you may try the Super Box 1 it talks about in the description. It sounds more like true offroad steering though. Good luck

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1700 including labor, its my DD and with school starting up i have work/school 7 days a week for the next 6 months. Work is a good 60 miles each way, so i really don't have all the time to tinker with it like i would like. It sucks, but these are the issues with being a full time worker and student. I'm pricing around, my mechanic i always go to dosn't provide parts, he runs a custom botique that works on super cars primarily, but he loves off-road vehicles and enjoys working on my jeep as a change of pace from all the Ferraris and Lambos he works on. He is only going to charge me for 3 hours which is 300, but hes pretty slow since he works on mine in his free time (hence the cheap labor rate for his level of service), So im kinda in a pickle. Anyone know where i can pick up a good box at a good price? are there any boxs that are better then a standard mopar? any rebuilt or custom boxs?
So three hours labour? It can be done in one(I turn wrenches for a living) That means he's saying the box is way over a thousand? If you want to go there thats cool but you will find a cheaper place somewhere else. Keep us posted if the box helps.

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No he says 300 to do it, I have to supply the part, a 4x4 and jeep "specialist" "wink" "wink" quoted 1700.

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