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Unread 09-15-2011, 11:33 AM   #1
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Dana 44 front with 5x4.5 bolt pattern

Just bought a rock crawl rig with a d44 out of an 80 Wagoneer, and a 8.8 rear. I have looked around and found that there is a 70s dodge truck hub that will work for converting it, but they are weak. Is there any other ways to make this thing 4.5 bp or do I need to sell my beadlocks and buy new wheels and axles for the rear.

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Unread 09-15-2011, 11:44 AM   #2
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You could probably have the hub re-drilled to a different bolt pattern. I don't know if that is the best option but I would think it would be possible.
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http://www.redrock4x4.com/wheelspace...ltpattern.aspx
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Problem is my 44 is 6 bolt, and I don't think a spacer up front will work. I think I could spacer my rear to 6 bolt easy if I buy new wheels, but I really don't want too. The drilling of the hub might work. I'm wondering if there is an outer I can bolt to the ball joints and run my iro shafts from my 30? Maybe?
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http://billetadapters.com/6-lug-whee...-adapters.html

then just get some spacers for the rear if your worried about tracking
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then just get some spacers for the rear if your worried about tracking
Truck was setup for flexing with current setup, I'm afraid if I mess with spacing I'll have to debump, and most likely have to clearance front and rear.
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Try also MC and Pirate...
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Try also MC and Pirate...
I've looked at pirate. That's where I found the dodge thing but mostly a lot calling the guy an idiot
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Use 5x5 hubs up front and redrill the rear.
Changing the number of studs is generally frowned upon.much less reliable than the standard spacers or like to like conversions.
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Use 5x5 hubs up front and redrill the rear.
Changing the number of studs is generally frowned upon.much less reliable than the standard spacers or like to like conversions.
That's a good idea. The 8.8 is spacered anyway so I could just replace it instead of a redrill. Or could I have it redrilled to a 6 bolt like the front then run a 6 bolt to 6 bolt spacer. What I'm really hopeing for is info on what interchanges on the axles. The ultimate for me would be swap outer spindles and hubs, throw in my 30 axles and go, but I don't think it works that way
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Can't do that...
Have you met mr.n yet?
His site has all the d44 info there is.
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Can't do that...
Have you met mr.n yet?
His site has all the d44 info there is.
This sounds crazy I know. I have iro c braces and almost aloy shafts. Could I remove the inner spindles from both axles and swap everything from there out, then take shalves apart at the joint, since they are the same size. Basically I would have a 44 inside with 30 outers, the opposite of what everybody else is doing I know. But then everything will be easy to get parts and my new beadlocks would still fit. I would put a HP 30 in it and sell the 44 but my 44 has an air locker, which also helps in not needing the hubs.
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nope, the inner c's are different so you can't swap in a d30 knuckle. and the knuckles are so completely different i don't know how you could think a unit bearing would bolt to the d44 stuff.

the larger bolt pattern are far superior and stronger anyways. bite the bullet and swap out the bead locks.


mr.n's site and pirate have all you need to know about what can and can not be swapped between d44's.
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Thank you. How do you feel about going 6 bolt gm f and r. Since the front already is
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i'd go ford 5 bolt personally. easier to deal with than converting an 8.8 to 6 lug.

actually, i'm staying 8 bolt but that's not an easy option for you. lol.
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