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Unread 11-20-2013, 08:01 AM   #16
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Oh I thought only a niner has the A.. Guess maybe I was thinking of them coming stock with LSD
Only difference in the 5.9 diff is the yoke , it accepts the bigger u-joint .

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Unread 11-21-2013, 10:01 PM   #17
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$800 to rebuild a 44A? Jeez. I have $1K in to my 8.8 with an Artec swap truss, Timken bearings, Timken seals, CSF crush sleeve eliminator kit, Raptor bed lining, all new brakes including shoes, hardware kit, rotors, pads, hard lines, a stainless braided brake line to the body, fluid, Spicer 1330 series flange, and a Solid Axle Industries diff cover.

Just think.....$200 more & you could've had a near bomb proof 8.8.
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Unread 11-21-2013, 10:04 PM   #18
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[QUOTE=Taz360ZJ

Just think.....$200 more & you could've had a near bomb proof 8.8.[/QUOTE]


yea, and i just bought a 5.2, guess whats wrong with her?
trashed 44 and xfer case.
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Unread 11-21-2013, 11:05 PM   #19
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The ring and pinion are as big as a D60. .
Not even close to being the same size as a D60.
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Unread 11-22-2013, 05:16 AM   #20
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Not even close to being the same size as a D60.
I'm sorry, the ring is smaller on a 44a. It's 8.5", which is also the diameter of the ring on a 44. The pinion shaft is the same size as a 60 at 1.625". An iron 44 has a pinion shaft of 1.376".

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Unread 11-22-2013, 09:29 AM   #21
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$800 to rebuild a 44A? Jeez. I have $1K in to my 8.8 with an Artec swap truss, Timken bearings, Timken seals, CSF crush sleeve eliminator kit, Raptor bed lining, all new brakes including shoes, hardware kit, rotors, pads, hard lines, a stainless braided brake line to the body, fluid, Spicer 1330 series flange, and a Solid Axle Industries diff cover.

Just think.....$200 more & you could've had a near bomb proof 8.8.
Did you do all the welding yourself?
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Unread 11-22-2013, 10:07 AM   #22
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Did you do all the welding yourself?
i was into my 8.8 for about 1200.
that included:

the axle itself 100$
rebuild/bearings/etc 150$
locker 300$
brakes new 150$
riddler cover 100$
IRO brackets 250$
ujoints/adapter thing call it 100$ all in
paint and miscellaneous shop supplies 100$

i did all the welding/rebuild myself though as well.
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Unread 11-22-2013, 11:11 AM   #23
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i was into my 8.8 for about 1200.
that included:

the axle itself 100$
rebuild/bearings/etc 150$
locker 300$
brakes new 150$
riddler cover 100$
IRO brackets 250$
ujoints/adapter thing call it 100$ all in
paint and miscellaneous shop supplies 100$

i did all the welding/rebuild myself though as well.
In your neck of the woods how much would it cost to have the brackets welded by a pro? When my rear goes out I'm going to go the 8.8 next time. I hopefully have enough time to learn to weld myself but who knows.
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Unread 11-22-2013, 11:20 AM   #24
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In your neck of the woods how much would it cost to have the brackets welded by a pro? When my rear goes out I'm going to go the 8.8 next time. I hopefully have enough time to learn to weld myself but who knows.
Would you want a noob welding your diff lol, if you dont know how to weld i would pay.
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Unread 11-22-2013, 11:31 AM   #25
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Would you want a noob welding your diff lol, if you dont know how to weld i would pay.
Good thing my 44a it in great shape. That will give me a few years to learn. If I can't weld correctly in that long I may as well give up all together.
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Unread 11-22-2013, 11:59 AM   #26
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Isnt the 44a a different housing? I thought the 35 is steel and the 44a aluminum maybe im wrong.
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Unread 11-22-2013, 12:03 PM   #27
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Isnt the 44a a different housing? I thought the 35 is steel and the 44a aluminum maybe im wrong.
The tubes are steel and the housing is aluminum.

I am talking about welding the control arm brackets on an 8.8 so it fits the ZJ.
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Unread 11-22-2013, 12:07 PM   #28
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my buddy tig welded them in. i'm not worried about that. he does a much better job than many 'professional' shops in this neck of the woods i'm afraid.

that said, the shop i got the bracket kit from would have burnt them into place for about $300 - $350. they do a bunch of kits like that, from Claytons to IRO etc.
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Unread 11-22-2013, 12:48 PM   #29
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The tubes are steel and the housing is aluminum.

I am talking about welding the control arm brackets on an 8.8 so it fits the ZJ.
ok nm i was going off the title lol.
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Unread 11-22-2013, 12:52 PM   #30
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This big aluminum turd is really pissing me off.

My 5.9 sounds like a jet taking off.. AGAIN
when i bought the car a year and a half ago she was howling. i got her rebuild by the guy who works on my commuter turd (kia spectra aka the Mario kart). Its been about a year later and shes howling again, it took about a week to go from great to good lord thats loud.
With the howl you had, you might've spun a bearing, which means pretty much an end to that axle housing if the spun bearings eat away too much aluminum.


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I have read that aluminum case stretches out over time and rebuilding it is only a bandage till you go broke or trash it.
One problem that has been mentioned is the relatively weak pumpkin in a live axle design. Trussing the axle makes it a LOT more durable and prevents the issues caused by housing/ tube flex. As for the carrier bearing problems, the problem is in the clamping force - there's not enough of it. I've heard of people having a machine shop shave a couple 1/1000th off from the bottom of the bearing cap to increase clamping force.


D44a is actually a really strong unit, and has a larger/ stronger R&P set - it's been used behind Vipers. The issue is with the live axle design Jeep used with the ZJ and WJ. I would not swap in a D35 unless your Jeep is a DD or mild wheeling vehicle only. D35 behind the niner just isn't strong enough.
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