post #1 of Old 08-22-2011, 09:09 PM Thread Starter
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Confirmed the source of my steering drift!

Ive been theorizing what was causing the drifting steering on the jeep i drive for quite a while. Since I've had a little time i have been quite motivated on a diagnose and repair marathon!! So while i was under the jeep today doing an oil change and lube i decided to have the jeep owner behind the wheel having her turn it right and left constantly while i was under the jeep inspecting the various components for play..... and my theory seemed to have panned out correctly! ......

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Luckily, a friend of mine took a road trip out west last month and was personally able to source out for me a good used steering box for $50 from a JY. The donor was a 96 Jeep GC, and was able to get deal on a few other parts Ive needed to fix various issues also.
I thought about rebuilding the existing box but it has a seeping stub shaft seal and of course this issue also so it will be a good learn how to rebuild tool once i have my replacement parts in hand and old box has been replaced!.
Ive always wanted to learn how to rebuild one of them steering boxes!.

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post #2 of Old 08-22-2011, 11:32 PM
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So would this also fix the crooked steering wheel problem? Got an alignment done - while it drives straight the wheel is very crooked. Thanks!
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post #3 of Old 08-22-2011, 11:46 PM Thread Starter
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No but the drag link clamp next to the pitman arm will fix your crooked steering wheel, and if its too extreme to straighten it out you might consider centering out the wheels and then detaching the coupler shaft from the stub shaft on the steering box and then center the steering wheel and reconnect., if you go the disconnect route be certain not to turn your steering wheel the wrong way or lose track of which way the wheel might of been turned while disconnected as you might damage the clock spring on the steering column from an uneven turn ratio.
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Your crooked steering wheel is the shop that did your alignment's fault. They're supposed to make sure it's straight. I'd suggest making them fix it, but if not it's a fairly simple adjustment
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Your crooked steering wheel is the shop that did your alignment's fault. They're supposed to make sure it's straight. I'd suggest making them fix it, but if not it's a fairly simple adjustment
You think the alignment shop should have fixed this? Even if it was a preexisting condition?
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No but the drag link clamp next to the pitman arm will fix your crooked steering wheel, and if its too extreme to straighten it out you might consider centering out the wheels and then detaching the coupler shaft from the stub shaft on the steering box and then center the steering wheel and reconnect., if you go the disconnect route be certain not to turn your steering wheel the wrong way or lose track of which way the wheel might of been turned while disconnected as you might damage the clock spring on the steering column from an uneven turn ratio.
Thanks! Do you know of a sticky or nice write up with the instructions? Thanks again.
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You think the alignment shop should have fixed this? Even if it was a preexisting condition?
Any shop that gives half a ***** about their customers would adjust this for you out of common curtesy.
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Any shop that gives half a ***** about their customers would adjust this for you out of common curtesy.
I bought a "lifetime alignment" from them so I'll take it back and see what they say. Mike
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post #9 of Old 08-23-2011, 08:53 AM
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try the steering box adjustment on the FAQ section before you swap boxes, or do it to the donor box before you install. mine had alot more play than that and it tightened up nicely

http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f22/speedbuckets-zj-build-1361322/
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I bought a "lifetime alignment" from them so I'll take it back and see what they say. Mike
adjusting steering wheel center is PART of an alignment. they're being lazy or you're lifted too high for your steering.

'97 zj 5.2, some stuff, some other suff, and some things that even work sometimes.

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adjusting steering wheel center is PART of an alignment. they're being lazy or you're lifted too high for your steering.
i always wondered about that. technically if your lifted that high you should have upgraded away from the inverted Y, but has anyone used a longer turnbuckle(which doesn't sound particularily safe) on a factory setup?

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you'd have to be over 5" for the stock steering to not be long enough though.

'97 zj 5.2, some stuff, some other suff, and some things that even work sometimes.

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try the steering box adjustment on the FAQ section before you swap boxes, or do it to the donor box before you install. mine had alot more play than that and it tightened up nicely
Absolutely!, the donor box will get a good cleaning , seal and pitman shaft bearing inspection and perform the worm shaft bearing pre load, and the over center adjustments before its installed!!!.
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my Truck Pulls right after alignment, and the steering wheel is pointed at 11 oclock. Idk what this guy did but messed up my **** crazy. I hope he does so then I can take care of it the correct way.

But your saying that the Steering box shaft is moving opposite direction as the pitman arm? Or whats going on you think? I dont understand from the video thanks man. As this is an issue for me and looking into deeply.
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my Truck Pulls right after alignment, and the steering wheel is pointed at 11 oclock. Idk what this guy did but messed up my **** crazy. I hope he does so then I can take care of it the correct way.

But your saying that the Steering box shaft is moving opposite direction as the pitman arm? Or whats going on you think? I dont understand from the video thanks man. As this is an issue for me and looking into deeply.
What your looking at is from the ground up at the pitman arm and the very bottom of the pitman shaft. If the pitman shaft bearing in the steering box is good the nut you see and the machining divot in the center of the shaft should stay perfectly on center with no play side to side as the pitman arm swings right and left, but if you look closely you will see the shaft rock side to side as the strain of pushing the drag link is let off and reapplied. Since that play in the shaft is there the steering has enough play to drift causing an undesirable handling condition, not to mention about a total of 1/8 of a turn play in the steering wheel that feels very mushy!.

Id take your rig back and have the guy redo it the right way!!!!!, don't take no for an answer, or get your $$$ back and have the alignment performed at a place that knows how to do it!.

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