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post #1 of 18 Old 08-14-2006, 07:12 PM Thread Starter
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Clayton's Long-arm handling - sways on accel and decel.

I have 6" long-arm installed. It's been aligned and handles fairly well, but when on the highway, if I let off the gas, the Jeep sways a little in the back. Then when I accelerate, the back of the jeep sways to the right.

I'm wondering iof this is unique or if this is a normal part of running long-arms at 6 inches. If it's normal, it's certainly liveable, but if not, I'd like to see if it can be solved. Checked all the bolts and everything is tight.

Anybody else have this issue?


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post #2 of 18 Old 08-14-2006, 07:14 PM
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no sway bar i take it?

i bet its the tire pressure again.

23-26 PSI will glue that thing to the ground.
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I have the addco bar in the back and stock bar in the front.

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lower your tire PSI.

i bet it cures it.
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post #5 of 18 Old 08-15-2006, 05:35 AM
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If that doesn't fix it.....do you have a locker in the rear??

My TJ would move left or right depending on accel/decel.

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It's true that I'm old enough to probably have been there and done that....it doesn't make me an expert....it gives me an educated opinion.
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No locker... yet! I'm itching to lay my hands on an Aussie locker though.

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Just spoke to the guys at Clayton's (who are still awesome!) and they told me it was fairly normal for the spring to compress as torque is applied giving it the feeling that it's swaying.

They suggested some better, stiffer shocks.

Anybody have suggestions for Bilsteins (with part numbers) or something?

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Call Nick- He knows exactly which bilstiens you need. You'll also need an conversion kit for the front upper shock mounts. I just picked up the shocks and conversion for my Clayton's 6" LA from him for $375 shipped. (480)998-3661

When you installed your Clayton's lift, was your WJ level or did the rear sit really high? Mine was way higher than the front (like 2"), Clayton sent me 5.5" TJ front springs and now it sits almost level (A little high, but about the factory rake angle so OK)

***edit*** well that's wierd. I posted this as a reply to lbrty9's ??? but it came up in front of his post. strange.

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You'll like the Bilsteins. However, I'm not sure the part numbers are the same except for length. I'll ge back to you on this later.


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You'll like the Bilsteins. However, I'm not sure the part numbers are the same except for length. I'll ge back to you on this later.


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Whoa..thought you'd gone and bought a Kia or something Hunter- you sure have been quiet lately!

The shocks actually are different lengths- the JKS conversion in the front means your front shocks need to be 1.5" shorter than the rear. IIRC, Nick said the fronts were 26.5" extended while the rear were 28". Or something like that.

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Just spoke to the guys at Clayton's (who are still awesome!) and they told me it was fairly normal for the spring to compress as torque is applied giving it the feeling that it's swaying.

They suggested some better, stiffer shocks.

Anybody have suggestions for Bilsteins (with part numbers) or something?

Thanks!!!

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no sway bar i take it?

i bet its the tire pressure again.

23-26 PSI will glue that thing to the ground.
What pressure would you reccomend on a 33 12.5? I thought pressures that low on the highway would really eat them up.
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post #12 of 18 Old 08-15-2006, 04:01 PM
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With the 32's he has on there now there is no reason to go down to the mid 25's...I would do upper 20's (28ish) at the lowest - of course this is tire dependent. I run between either 30 or 35 in my 32's depending on how much time I want to wait for them to fill up.

Lower tire pressure = more tire sidewall roll = worse handeling so not sure how that would help it stick to the ground

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I tried to order the 5100's today. The guys at Claytons gave me some measurements to play with and it looks like the 12 travel shocks are the right ones. Unfortunately, they left a message on my home machine telling me they were out of stock and Bilstein had them on backorder...

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post #14 of 18 Old 08-21-2006, 06:43 AM Thread Starter
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Solved it! Turns out that the Johnnie Joint in the drivers side rear LCA had come apart. Fortunately the circle clip was still wedged in there. Once I yanked it out and put it all back together it handled perfectly. It certainly explains why the Jeep felt like the back end was actually sliding laterally...

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Good to know you're still good with your hands.


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