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Unread 06-23-2013, 06:00 PM   #121
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I would never buy a used car, its just buying someone else's problems.
At least with a used car you can expect to have a few minor issues... The new Jeeps just aren't of the same quality as the old ones.

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Unread 06-23-2013, 06:01 PM   #122
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At least with a used car you can expect to have a few minor issues... The new Jeeps just aren't of the same quality as the old ones.
Yep, and you can't get a brand new Jeep with a 4.0 either
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Unread 06-23-2013, 06:32 PM   #123
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Yep, and you can't get a brand new Jeep with a 4.0 either
Like you would ever want one anyway. You would always be late.

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Unread 06-23-2013, 11:19 PM   #124
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For those who do go for the hitch I bet the dealers are going to play havoc in attaching them to old rusted/corroded ZJ rear frames in the rust/salt belt.
this makes me think how they will handle people like a buddy of mine who has bent or missing (as in ripped out) hitch studs
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Unread 06-24-2013, 12:37 AM   #125
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My uncle told me this "Never buy a new car, used is best." Then my cousin (uncles son) 21, paid electrical intern (makes good money), bought a new chevy car, told me he, "loves his paycheck until the payment comes in." Now my dad is saying, "don't waste money on your Jeep save up to make a down payment on a new car." Well dad, I can't take many parts from my ZJ and throw them into a 2014 vehicle. When the time comes, I'll retire my ZJ (maybe make it a trail rig depending on the problems) and go out to buy another used Jeep direct from an owner. Why waste 6 years paying for a vehicle? MAYBE if it was a newer Jeep Wrangler (and not the Unlimited 4 door junk).
Another uncle owns a Nissan Titan. Drives the beast about 600 miles up north and back once a month sometimes towing a trailer. Guess who's having leaking issues and electrical problems now? Not just me. We both get about the same gas milage too. Who has more miles? I do. Who has good stock suspension? I do. Who can ding their vehicle and not worry too much about it. I can. Which costs less to replace? Mine. Even though he paid his truck off in less time than most people, I don't think it was worth it. By the way, he owned an XJ, 1994 stick shift Laredo ZJ (bought brand new), AND he had a YJ for a trail rig until the DNR made the trail "ATV ONLY". My question is why he went to Nissan.
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Unread 06-24-2013, 10:20 AM   #126
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this makes me think how they will handle people like a buddy of mine who has bent or missing (as in ripped out) hitch studs
Many shops won't alter, repair, reinforce, damaged or rusted/rotted frames due to liability issues. Found this out with my wife's 2000 TJ rusted/rotted frame which we ended up selling at a loss. So it will be interesting to see how the dealers handle this situation on the ZJ's.

I leased my 96 4.0 Laredo new and ended up buying it because I ran it over the allotted miles. Always did feel like they were "on the cheap" since I paid for the tow package but it didn't come with a hitch. So I ended up buying my own through U-haul and having them install it when I didn't know any better. Believe it's a Class II hitch (350lb tongue weight, 3,500 GTW) but always have resented it only has a 1 1/4" wimpy receiver instead of 2". Works for my small 300lb trailer in hauling my ATV but that's about it. Did haul a 5'x 8' enclosed U-haul trailer from Cinci to Chicago once year ago and a real chore for my 4.0.

If the new/replacement hitch programs goes for Class III/IV hitches with a 2" receiver may go for it if they can fight through the frame rust caused by heavily salted roads/highways.

http://www.uhaul.com/Articles/Tips/1...-A-Hitch-Guide
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Unread 06-24-2013, 04:24 PM   #127
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At least with a used car you can expect to have a few minor issues... The new Jeeps just aren't of the same quality as the old ones.


Your right about the new ones not being of the same quality, the new ones are much better. Have you driven a new Grand Cherokee? Believe me it is worlds ahead of a ZJ. While I agree that the 4.0 was a good reliable engine I really don't think it can compare to the HEMI.
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Unread 06-24-2013, 04:53 PM   #128
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Your right about the new ones not being of the same quality, the new ones are much better. Have you driven a new Grand Cherokee? Believe me it is worlds ahead of a ZJ. While I agree that the 4.0 was a good reliable engine I really don't think it can compare to the HEMI.
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Unread 06-24-2013, 05:38 PM   #129
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You must of checked out the new one
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Unread 06-24-2013, 05:53 PM   #130
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You must of checked out the new one
no. wasnt thinking when i wrote what i wrote, when i read it again, it made no sense.

IMO, ZJs and WJs are the only real JEEP grand cherokees. the rest are just soccer mom mobiles. (with the exception of the SRT, those things are straight up badass)
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Unread 06-24-2013, 05:56 PM   #131
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And I was just looking a buying a receiver hitch for mine too.
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Unread 06-24-2013, 07:14 PM   #132
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Weird, I was also looking to buy a receiver hitch. Guess I won't need to now.
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Unread 06-24-2013, 09:58 PM   #133
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Just buy the cheaper toyota version of what you want. Same car, different name
cheaper yes, same car no.

compare a is250 to a corolla, es330 to a camery, or an es350 to an avalon of the same year and you will want the lexus this i promise you

once had a manger compare her 2005 camry to my 04 es330, it was junk id rather have a cobalt than a camry(same quality interior)

bottom line is you get what you pay for the 98 zj's ran the same cost as my 2004 es330 msrp only difference i havent had to do jack crap to keep my es running and it has 150,00 miles on it, and still runs quite and smooth

that and in today's market that 28,000$ jeep would be around 40,000. dont get me wrong i loved the jeep i wrecked so much i bought another, and have more in it than its value. but at some point a company needs to show loyalty customers that have done nothing but come back to the products they love.


also wasnt Chrysler part of dimer chrysler in the 90's? shouldn't they both be held at a 50/50 split cost for any recalls for those years of vehicles?
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Unread 06-24-2013, 10:03 PM   #134
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Good god, are you guys still going on about this? Talk about beating a dead horse.
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Unread 06-24-2013, 10:07 PM   #135
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also wasnt Chrysler part of dimer chrysler in the 90's? shouldn't they both be held at a 50/50 split cost for any recalls for those years of vehicles?
diamler didnt come into play until 99 IIRC
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