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Unread 01-24-2014, 10:08 PM   #331
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If you want to talk about recall avoidance, Toyota. They're notorious for not copping to recall stuff until the media damage is inescapable.

Chrysler is currently in the process of having a full run of Mopar hitches manufactured. Problem is, it takes time to set the line toolings back up and get production going at a usable pace. It takes around a year to set up a production plant just to do final assembly on a car, and it can take several years to get all the parts into production. So it'll be a few months yet before the hitches are available.

As far as underbody fires, I'm not worried. I'll just borrow my uncle's Isuzu.

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Unread 01-24-2014, 10:26 PM   #332
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So a year from now .. After you say Chrysler gets the hitches built .. What will be the difference in the 2 hitches.
.. I'll bet there won't be 2 cent worth of difference. It'll be neat to see what they change.
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... Does anyone know of someone having a rear end fire. I have not .
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Unread 01-25-2014, 06:53 AM   #333
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I finally received my recall notice I've been waiting for. Debating on removing my old rusted aftermarket hitch on my 96 and go for the new OEM one when in stock. But can also see where this could backfire and they say my frame's too rusted to support the new one. Just love what living in the salt/rust belt does to these ZJ's! NOT!

Even considered welding some new support metal on the frame if I take the old hitch off but would bet they won't install any hitch on a non-OE/altered frame.
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Unread 01-25-2014, 06:57 AM   #334
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... Does anyone know of someone having a rear end fire. I have not .
I'm having a "rear end fire" right now!

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Unread 01-25-2014, 07:13 AM   #335
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Hey it could be worse. Most of the ZJ's are almost 20 years old now. So for Chrysler to recall and do something about them is a big deal. Just look at GM over the last 5 years to 10 years of recalls on there trucks and blazers and cars just catching fire for no apparent reason.


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Unread 01-25-2014, 06:08 PM   #336
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Chrysler's recent track record really shows the accountants in charge.

My 95 has the group IV tow package so i don't have to wait for a new hitch but my '06 is under recall (N23) for a problem with the transmission slipping into neutral (big problem with folks that have remote start!).

Rather than replace the cracked circuit board in the transfer case actuator that is the cause, they found a software work around. They re-flash but in many cases causes a "Service 4X4 System" error preventing engagement of 4 low....guess they are counting on most owners never using 4 low.

If the error can't be cleared with their software solution...their next step is replacing the actuator...and in typical Chrysler fashion...the actuators are on national back order. To add insult many dealers (and Chrysler) are telling out of warranty owners there is no connection to the recall and pony up $800 to replace the actuator....if they can get one. (lots of talk on this on the WK part of this fine forum)

"Jeep Cares" is such a joke!!!
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Unread 01-25-2014, 06:25 PM   #337
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I have found that you can clear the code that comes up 3 times in a row and it will go away and the 4wd will work fine.
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Unread 01-26-2014, 11:39 AM   #338
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I have found that you can clear the code that comes up 3 times in a row and it will go away and the 4wd will work fine.
Clearing the code three times is a standard part of the re-flash called for in the N23 recall but many WK owners have found that 4 low does not work after. Might work for a bit but then the "Service 4x4 System" error comes back with bad actuator codes and the actuator needs to be replaced. Problem for out of warranty owners is Chrysler/dealers are saying no connection to the re-call and want $700-$1000 to replace...with a part that is on national back-order.

More info in the WK part of the forum http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f67/n...4-low-1561787/
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Unread 05-03-2014, 10:37 AM   #339
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I'm really late to this whole issue. I live in the UAE, and only heard about it last week.

My two cars are affected by this. My second hand 97 ZJ and 96 XJ, which I've had since new

I'm not eligible for any free hitch, am not interested in the politics of it, or whether Ditlow and the whole case is full of s**t.

I have a wife and kids to look after, and can't afford new cars, so even if there's only a fraction of the truth in this, I want to do something about it.

Both Jeeps have 3mm skid plates on them around the tanks, but I want to upgrade them to the Skid Row 6mm skid plates.

In terms of the hitches, unless I can find OEM Mopars at a scrapyard, I have to go after-market. the Jeep dealer in Dubai doesn't have stock for the ZJ, or have even heard of the issue

Does anyone know which hitches are actually approved by this? I'm looking at the Hidden Hitch one for the ZJ, and a Mopar from the dealer for the XJ.

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Unread 05-03-2014, 10:41 AM   #340
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The XJ wouldn't be covered under the recall as it was only for ZJ Grand Cherokees and the KJ Liberty. It is also possible that this recall is not applicable to your jurisdiction. That being said, if you simply want peace of mind, any aftermarket hitch will work. The hitch will mitigate the effects of a low speed crash, but since you already have the skids, you're probably fine as is. At high speed, a hitch isn't doing anything.

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Unread 05-03-2014, 10:44 AM   #341
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Thanks.. Even though the original skids are only 3mm?

What about a higher speed collision? Surely a thicker, more rigid skid would help?
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Unread 05-03-2014, 12:02 PM   #342
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Thanks.. Even though the original skids are only 3mm?

What about a higher speed collision? Surely a thicker, more rigid skid would help?
If you are concerned about high speed collisions put a fuel cell in it. Few vehicle will survive being rear ended at 70 mph.
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Unread 05-04-2014, 10:19 AM   #343
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Chrysler is currently in the process of having a full run of Mopar hitches manufactured. Problem is, it takes time to set the line toolings back up and get production going at a usable pace. It takes around a year to set up a production plant just to do final assembly on a car, and it can take several years to get all the parts into production. So it'll be a few months yet before the hitches are available.
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With all respect, SchizophrenicMC post here reads as if he is soaked in Chrysler's Kool-Aid. Since this thread was posted mid of last June ''013, NOT one hitch has been installed as per to satisfy the recall 1.56 million Libertys, '02 -'07 and Grand Cherokees, '93 through '98.
Since June '013, Chrysler has announced they will soon be rolling Jeeps off of lines in China to meet that zone's market.
If Chrysler had one moment's thought they would honor this recall, these simple hitch configurations would/could have been fab'd in a few weeks in China.

Chrysler has run the numbers and found the monthly attrition rate of these recall years are out-weighing their reputation to 'stand and do the right thing' for these old car owner's safety.

If there anyone on this thread has received a hitch from Chrysler due to this so-called recall, pls let everyone here, hear about the event.
Safety tips; Do not set in the vehicle on a hi-speed roadway. If pulled over by the law, request you both to get clear, far to the side.
Don't bet your life on receiving a Chrysler hitch anytime soon and drive alone.

(last post above, #342) "Few vehicles will survive being rear ended at 70 mph".
That never has been the purpose of adding the hitch. Purpose, prevent a wedge collision from maybe ripping the Jeep fuel tank, dripping on a hot engine, causing a flash fire.
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Unread 05-04-2014, 10:32 AM   #344
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How would the tank drip on a hot engine?

Either way, the ZJ was designed to and passed the federally mandated safety regulations at the time. Special interest groups ran a campaign based on fear and emotion to force a solution that does nothing. If the tank design was such a huge issue, there would be a mandated recall across all manufacturers who use a rear mounted tank design. Excluding the WJ is proof that this is all fluff.

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Unread 05-04-2014, 10:44 AM   #345
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How would the tank drip on a hot engine? ]
Not the engine of the jeep. Since he said wedge collision, I'm pretty sure he was referring to the engine of the car that did the rear ending. Imagine getting hit in the *** by a vette or other low slung sports car
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