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Unread 06-07-2011, 11:32 PM   #1
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Ok, everyone tells me to stay away from spacers but I really don't off road much at all and when I do it is more or less trailing with no big obstacles or anything. So chances are I wont brake anything with them. I guess a better question is are they safe? I am looking at them on eBay. If I do get them I will beef up my shocks too I am looking at some Rough Country 2"-3" shocks on eBay also. Here are the links to everything.

Here are the Rough Country shocks:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/4-New...ht_3687wt_1186

And here are the 3" spacers I am looking at:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Jeep-...#ht_1619wt_725

I did the math and both those will cost me around 230 bucks after shipping and a real lift kit without spacers is at least 400. I am low on money so that is a huge difference for me. Just wondering if it will work and also be safe, also can I run stock tires until I can get new ones? I will upgrade those soon. Also if you have a cheap lift idea I am definitely open them. Thank You for your HELP!

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Unread 06-08-2011, 12:08 AM   #2
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you are better off doing the iron rock offroad 3.5" front to rear spring swap.

but if you do decide to get the three inch spacers make sure you get a set that comes with extended posts for the rear.

also keep in mind that you will need longer sway bar end links. might get away without em in the front for a little while but you will need them in the rear.
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Unread 06-08-2011, 12:08 AM   #3
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Don't know personally. But I thought I heard 3" spacer is to much, something about easy yo lose your springs when flexing or something. Remember cheap isn't always, actually is pretty much never good.
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If I got new 4.5" inch coils all the way around and new shocks would that work too? or is 4.5" too much, maybe the 3.5". Go big or go home right? haha, again is it safe though?
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Unread 06-08-2011, 09:39 AM   #5
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If I got new 4.5" inch coils all the way around and new shocks would that work too? or is 4.5" too much, maybe the 3.5". Go big or go home right? haha, again is it safe though?
lol well if you can manage 4.5" coils THAT would be the way to go

of course then you will also need longer sway bar end links front and rear, and will need to budget in front and rear track bars. (can get away with a rear track bar drop bracket)

if you are going to go that big might as well have it all so you only got to get under there once
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Unread 06-08-2011, 09:49 AM   #6
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if you dont offroad 2"spacers are totally the way to go. as opposed to the 3" you can easily keep your stock front trackbar, and with some cheap shocks you'll be set. i ran a 2"bb on all stock suspension (including shocks) for a year with absolutely no problems.

3.5" can be run on stock control arms no problem but you will need sway bar links, front trackbar, and rear trackbar bracket (or adj trackbar if you can afford it). 4.5" gets expensive fast.
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Unread 06-08-2011, 10:22 AM   #7
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So 3.5" is the best way to go for cheap? And if I get spacers don't go past 2" ?
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Unread 06-08-2011, 10:26 AM   #8
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So 3.5" is the best way to go for cheap? And if I get spacers don't go past 2" ?
that is the generally excepted strategy around here.

I ran 3" spacers until I could afford my IRO springs to do the F > R swap and only had to put in the longer sway bar end links with out any problems. (had the rear extended post)

i guess we never asked... what size tire you running?... :edit: oh stock, yeah you can run those just fine. but the size of your lift should depend on the size of tire you intend to upgrade too. something to think about.
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Well now I have stock tires on stock rims. If you need actual numbers I can Get them. But I am going to upgrade to some Croger rims, and if theres room I hope to run 31" tires on a 3.5" lift. Think I will need to trim my bumpers With that set up? Also What size rims should I get to fit 31" tires best?

Also what does every one think of this kit? It is a fair price for what you get. Also look on the page and tell me if I should upgrade and thing like shocks or new coils for the back. People say great things about Iron Rock so buying from them would be good. I know I am full of questions, but I'm new to this and you guys really help me.

Here is the link to the kit:

http://www.ironrockoffroad.com/Merch...egory_Code=PFZ
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i have daystar 2 3/4" coil spacers and i run 31s. When you turn sharp it scrapes in the inside fender a little bit but thats about it
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Well now I have stock tires on stock rims. If you need actual numbers I can Get them. But I am going to upgrade to some Croger rims, and if theres room I hope to run 31" tires on a 3.5" lift. Think I will need to trim my bumpers With that set up? Also What size rims should I get to fit 31" tires best?

Also what does every one think of this kit? It is a fair price for what you get. Also look on the page and tell me if I should upgrade and thing like shocks or new coils for the back. People say great things about Iron Rock so buying from them would be good. I know I am full of questions, but I'm new to this and you guys really help me.

Here is the link to the kit:

http://www.ironrockoffroad.com/Merch...egory_Code=PFZ
Definitely stick with IRO...those guys are great and make great stuff! Can't be beat IMO for the money. The kit is fine, and not too hard to install. I think most here would always suggest upgrading to Bilstein shocks as they make one helluva difference in the ride.....waiting to get mine as we speak.

15 or 16" rim should be perfect for 31's. I think it's a pretty common thought, but your rim diameter should be about half the tire diameter. Gives the right proportion of sidewall for flex and absorbing bumps. The big wheels make look good, but if you don't have enough rubber they send all the bumps and stuff straight to the suspension...and if you go with the less expensive shocks...you'll think your riding in a stagecoach.

And I'm not sure about trimming the bumpers with 31's and that size lift. I have 33's and had to do some trimming with 4.5" of lift. Nothing major though. If you want to go even bigger with that lift, you could look into the Iceland Offroad fender flares. I think they claim you can run 35's on 4" of lift with the ZJ. Another upgrade I want....
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Well now I have stock tires on stock rims. If you need actual numbers I can Get them. But I am going to upgrade to some Croger rims, and if theres room I hope to run 31" tires on a 3.5" lift. Think I will need to trim my bumpers With that set up? Also What size rims should I get to fit 31" tires best?

Also what does every one think of this kit? It is a fair price for what you get. Also look on the page and tell me if I should upgrade and thing like shocks or new coils for the back. People say great things about Iron Rock so buying from them would be good. I know I am full of questions, but I'm new to this and you guys really help me.

Here is the link to the kit:

http://www.ironrockoffroad.com/Merch...egory_Code=PFZ
that my friend would be a perfect starter kit. I love IRO, I have their springs and front lower control arms (adj), and rear end links. with 3.5" of lift you wont have to trim anything for 31"s or 275's, but you might rub on tight turns if your rims dont have 4" of backspacing.

also check the "Read this before you post" sticky up top. theres a chart in there that can point you in the right direction as well as a ton of other awsome ideas to do to your zj
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Okay, could I get the same basic 3.5" inch Kit or should I pay a little extra and get this one? Also can I put 3/4" spacers on all 4 shocks too? And if so will I need to do anything extra like extend brake lines? Links Are Below for everything. Thanks


http://www.ironrockoffroad.com/Merch...egory_Code=ZLK


3/4" spacers
http://www.sdtrucksprings.com/index....oducts_id=7147

Also here is a pic of my car as of now.
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Also can I put 3/4" spacers on all 4 shocks too? And if so will I need to do anything extra like extend brake lines?
i assume you mean putting spacers on top of the coil, not the shock. and 4.25" is too much for stock control arms. 3.5 is the max and still have it ride well.

you dont need extended brake lines if you are not going to get sway bar discos. if you are then yes, you need them but can get away with TJ lines that are 2" longer (make sure to check them when buying)

the benchmark lift is definitely worth the upgrade. you also need to address the rear trackbar at 3.5" (but you dont have to at 2 fwiw). you can use a bracket or get an adjustable one. i have and recommend the IRO
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I have a 97 and I bought a fat bobs lift that came with the shocks and the extra sleves for the rear. It cost about 280 shipped. I didn't have to extend or change anything on the jeep except a rear sway bar link (I broke it, rust rust rust). I run 31s with no problems. Took about 2 hours to get installed. But over all a good cheaper way to go

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