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Shocks 2 33.33%
Control arm Bushings 4 66.67%
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post #1 of 21 Old 09-25-2017, 12:56 AM Thread Starter
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What would people replace first; worn shocks, or worn control arm bushings?

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post #2 of 21 Old 09-25-2017, 09:07 AM
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Your survey should have an "all of the above" option.

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Your survey should have an "all of the above" option.

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Agreed. I plan on replacing my shocks, springs, control arm bushings (and the arms themselves) at the same time.

If I had to choose one, I'd go with the bushings first.
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post #4 of 21 Old 09-25-2017, 12:11 PM
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Yeah, I'd do bushings first as they are a big cause of death wobble, but I'd do shocks at the same time if I was tearing into it.

Truly no reason to replace springs on a ZJ with fresh stock height ones. Spring sag isn't really an issue.


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Well in my case there are other reasons as well (part of doing the lift).
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post #6 of 21 Old 09-25-2017, 05:18 PM Thread Starter
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So I should add, my reasons for one or the other is because of monetary concerns. I can really only afford one of the two right now (with the other happening next year, probably). I am just looking for best 'bang for buck' replacement. I am spoiled by my TJ having all new bushings and shocks, though.
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post #7 of 21 Old 09-25-2017, 08:45 PM
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I did shocks first, for tire cupping reasons. I didn't notice Mich difference in ride quality.

I replaces all of my front steering components and control arms and bushings, and now it rides like a dream. Mostly due to the control arms and the ball joints, as i had bad bushings in the lower arms and shot ball joints.

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Yeah, control arms first if it's one or the other, that'll give you some DW protection so you don't end up destroying other front end parts before you can do the rest.


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post #9 of 21 Old 09-26-2017, 12:45 AM
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unless they are completely shot... shocks won't make a huge noticeable difference...

bushings on the other hand definitely will
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post #10 of 21 Old 09-26-2017, 02:23 AM
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Ride-quality and handling-wise, shocks definitely make a huge difference. They're actually one of the most important parts for a properly functioning suspension.

That being said, badly worn and especially damaged CA bushings can cause DW, and they can and will cause unwanted suspension behavior.

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Ride-quality and handling-wise, shocks definitely make a huge difference.
ok let me clarify a little... if you are going from worn OEM to new OEM/equivalent the difference will be very little unless the worn shocks are shot

you'll notice the difference more if you upgrade while replacing

i'm poor/cheap so i went to something that was OEM equivalent and due to general laziness i did the rears first then did the fronts a fair bit later... the rears i noticed very little change since the originals were still functional.... when i got around to the fronts i noticed more of a difference because one of them was 100% done

i had a more noticable difference when i did my sway bar end links and bushings
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In my experience from having both control arm bushings and leaking old shocks on my 5.9 when I bought it, I'd do the control arm bushings first.
I did the shocks and it still wandered and felt like a boat on the highway.
It wasn't until I did the control arm bushings that it felt tight and stable again.
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So I think I will look into the control arm bushings first; but I have a few more questions.

Is it better to just replace the arms themselves, or just the bushings? Are they hard to press out and in (I have a shop 6 ton shop press)? What about running a set of poly bushings? I know they are not recommended on TJs, but I wonder if a ZJ being unibody makes a difference or not.
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I just replaced the entire arm one at a time. Moog brand from rock auto.
I had a shop do the upper arm axle bushings. Those are terrible.
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You shouldn't have to replace your arms unless they are really beat up (like crumpled or deformed) or the vehicle is lifted and you need to move the axles back into original position angles. The bushings *should* press in and out. Removal might require some persuasion. Poly bushings can work, but ride quality might be affected (some say it makes your ride harsher, some say there's little difference). Poly bushings have a longer life than cleveite, so that might be a consideration.
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