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post #1 of 24 Old 03-05-2013, 09:03 AM Thread Starter
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97 44RE delayed D or R

I've searched high and low and cannot find my symptoms listed.

'97 ZJ Limited, 5.2, 170,000 well maintained.

Started having delayed initial engagement, only happens cold; goes into reverse easy, I back out of driveway, shift to Drive FROM reverse and delayed engagement. Have to rev engine then it catches. Once in D if I shift back to Reverse same thing, delay, then same delay back to D.

All other shifts are fine, OD fine. Will not repeat after driving at all. Only cold.

Changed fluid/filter and adjusted bands as per with dial indicator etc. Still same problem. Every search turns up slipping 1-2, OD slips, etc but cannot find anyone listing the delayed engagement R-D symptom.

Question, would a kit such as the Superior or Transgo kits solve this? Was hoping to get 200,000 before rebuild...


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post #2 of 24 Old 03-05-2013, 10:17 AM
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Low fluid level or bad governor and sensor usually do that.

'97 zj 5.2, some stuff, some other suff, and some things that even work sometimes.

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Not low fluid level, wasn't low before and isn't now. That leaves gov and sensor ..., and also wondering; the Superior kit has a 'rapid fill manual valve'...

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For full manual shift modification.

'97 zj 5.2, some stuff, some other suff, and some things that even work sometimes.

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post #5 of 24 Old 03-23-2013, 12:27 PM
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sorry to dig up an older thread but was the issue ever resolved? having same issue with a 46re exactly as described!
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post #6 of 24 Old 03-23-2013, 06:03 PM
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I had the same issues at one point after a recent rebuild. The gent that rebuilt the unit readjusted the bands and the issue was resolved.

I would have a trans shop (reputable) check it over.
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I had the same issues at one point after a recent rebuild. The gent that rebuilt the unit readjusted the bands and the issue was resolved.

I would have a trans shop (reputable) check it over.
Im liking the sounds of that. What were your symptoms? mine has recently started with a delay first thing in the morning between reverse and drive. And recently it also did it between park and reverse and then also reverse and drive. and after driving a few houses down everything is fine, shifts fine and switches between reverse and drive fine I have the pan off and it looks great inside, only a very fine layer of clutch material on the bottom of the pan, not even visible until i wiped it with a cloth.
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That was the exact same symptoms. I'd pull the shifter and wait a few seconds for D or R to engage. Thinking "WTH! Just had this rebuilt!" The turns guy said it was pretty minor and only a simple adjustment to the bands. Sure enough, no issues since the adjustment was made.
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did yours do it all the time or just the first take off of the morning?
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post #10 of 24 Old 03-23-2013, 06:48 PM
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Just on takeoff in the morning. Didn't do it right after the rebuild, but eventually showed and got worse until the adjustment was made.
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post #11 of 24 Old 03-23-2013, 07:29 PM
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It could be a cracked case. I had similar issues in my old jeep after having the transmission rebuilt. When its cold the transmission is losing pressure through a small crack. When it heated up, the case expanded enough to seal the tiny crack and it was able to build pressure again. I dunno if its your problem but I had VERY similar issues and a new case is what it took to fix it.

http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f22/riots-97-grand-1436100/

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My case wasn't cracked, the bands were out of adjustment.

Cracked case should be obvious with a leak...
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post #13 of 24 Old 03-23-2013, 07:47 PM
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Well dont I look foolish. I guess thats what happens when you scan a thread too leisurely. Mine wasnt leaking when I was having issues.

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Well dont I look foolish. I guess thats what happens when you scan a thread too leisurely. Mine wasnt leaking when I was having issues.
mine leaks but im pretty sure its from the neutral safety switch. Another thing i noticed is that ive had the pan off for hours and its still dripping, quite a bit. could this indicate a drain back issue? I would love that to be the problem but it still pauses in engagement after reversing and changing to drive. the reversing should have filled the torque converter, correct?
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mine leaks but im pretty sure its from the neutral safety switch. Another thing i noticed is that ive had the pan off for hours and its still dripping, quite a bit. could this indicate a drain back issue? I would love that to be the problem but it still pauses in engagement after reversing and changing to drive. the reversing should have filled the torque converter, correct?
Oh boy.. Im not too much of a transmission guy. I just had some similar problems relating to the previous posts so I chimed in. Im not the best source on this one chief. Good luck though

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