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Unread 09-01-2013, 05:15 PM   #46
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I don't even see a asd fuse. Just a relay

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Unread 09-01-2013, 05:36 PM   #47
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visual check, I could see all of them except the tiny ones. I had to pull them to check.
Try checking them with a fuse tester sometimes they look good but there not
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Unread 09-01-2013, 05:40 PM   #48
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It's 97 4.0, right ?
Dont laugh, but how much fuel is in the tank? More than 1/2 tank?
There was a recall on the 97 fuel sending units. They would show 1/4 tank when they were empty.

I'll go outside to my 97 and I.D. the fuse I'm talking about.
Meanwhile...stay with Zeejay's troubleshooting procedure.
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Unread 09-01-2013, 05:47 PM   #49
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Try checking them with a fuse tester sometimes they look good but there not
I just did that and everything was good except for the horn fuse but it could have been like that when I bought it, I never checked it before. I actually pulled the cooling fan fuse and put it in the horn fuse spot and it blew that fuse too after the horn made a horrible noise,lol. It's probably been out of commission for awhile. I did notice when I pulled the cooling fan fuse that there was only a prong in one side of the fuse slot. Doesn't that defeat the purpose of having a fuse if only one side plugs into something?

Still puzzled about my problem, I kept my g dad's volt meter so I can check more stuff as I continue to troubleshoot here on jeep forum.
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Unread 09-01-2013, 05:53 PM   #50
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It's 97 4.0, right ?
Dont laugh, but how much fuel is in the tank? More than 1/2 tank?
There was a recall on the 97 fuel sending units. They would show 1/4 tank when they were empty.

I'll go outside to my 97 and I.D. the fuse I'm talking about.
Meanwhile...stay with Zeejay's troubleshooting procedure.
I was showing over a half tank. It has been that way for a while now though. I had the big sludge thread many weeks ago. Also the freeze plug job thread. Once I got all the work done I filled up the truck, it hasn't seen many miles but has spent slot of time idling in the yard. I don't think it's out though because since it started not running I can't hear the fuel pump priming, even from laying under the tank.
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Unread 09-01-2013, 05:54 PM   #51
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I just did that and everything was good except for the horn fuse but it could have been like that when I bought it, I never checked it before. I actually pulled the cooling fan fuse and put it in the horn fuse spot and it blew that fuse too after the horn made a horrible noise,lol. It's probably been out of commission for awhile. I did notice when I pulled the cooling fan fuse that there was only a prong in one side of the fuse slot. Doesn't that defeat the purpose of having a fuse if only one side plugs into something?

Still puzzled about my problem, I kept my g dad's volt meter so I can check more stuff as I continue to troubleshoot here on jeep forum.
I don't recommend what I'm about to say but i have took the pcm apart and tested the circuits in it with a curcuit tester to determine wether or not the pcm in my 98 zj was my problem when mine did this
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Unread 09-01-2013, 05:55 PM   #52
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Ok, the fuse I'm talking about is under hood....and it's the small 15 amp ( blue) one closest to the passenger side and closest to the firewall. Take it out, check it with the ohmmeter and if it's OK, clean the blades and reinstall it.

I just cleaned mine, as well as the blades on the large 40 amp for the ignition. Was surprised at how nasty they had become in less than a year.
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Unread 09-01-2013, 06:04 PM   #53
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I got .16 and .7 on the outer pins. 1.46 in the middle pin.
how did you have your leads configured? just put one lead in each outside socket at the same time and read the voltage.

if you have less than 5 give or take .5 volts, disconect the crank sensor and see if the voltage appears.
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Unread 09-01-2013, 06:14 PM   #54
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how did you have your leads configured? just put one lead in each outside socket at the same time and read the voltage.

if you have less than 5 give or take .5 volts, disconect the crank sensor and see if the voltage appears.
Ok I'll try that. I had the black lead on the negative and checked the plug with the red. How do I disconnect the crank sensor, where is the plug located?
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Unread 09-01-2013, 06:20 PM   #55
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Crank sensor plug is located below the oil dipstick on mine...yours may be a little higher.
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Unread 09-01-2013, 06:21 PM   #56
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the connector at the rear of the engine block or on the firewall on the passenger side. theres an area where several bundles come together. find a single connector with three wires. it comes in to this area from the top of the bellhousing.
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Unread 09-01-2013, 06:23 PM   #57
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the connector at the rear of the engine block or on the firewall on the passenger side. theres an area where several bundles come together. find a single connector with three wires. it comes in to this area from the top of the bellhousing.
Ok it only showed .69 when I checked it the correct way. Gonna disconnect sensor and try right now. Now that I know where crank sensor plug is.
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Unread 09-01-2013, 06:33 PM   #58
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After unplugging the crank sensor I got 5 volts at the throttle body plug. What does this mean?
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Unread 09-01-2013, 06:39 PM   #59
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Bingo ! Crank sensor shorted to ground. Either the wires or the sensor itself.
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Unread 09-01-2013, 06:44 PM   #60
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Bingo ! Crank sensor shorted to ground. Either the wires or the sensor itself.
What should be my plan of attack on fixing the issue, also looks like the sensor would be hard to change out being on top of bell housing. Wires would be hard to check too all clustered together.

Big thanks to all who helped and a real big thanks to zeejay.
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