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Unread 05-23-2013, 04:54 PM   #1
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"The wrangler has a short wheelbase, they all wander a bit, that's normal".
That's what a front end mechanic told me today.
I think he's right. After replacing just about everything on the front-end of my jeep, the steering still isn't great. Don't get me wrong, I'm used to it, I can tolerate it. I think I just want it to be perfect, and I don't think thats possible.
I don't get great returnability like I do in my f-150. The wrangler wanders a bit unlike my jeep liberty.
Should I just accept the fact that it's a jeep thing? Have any others come to this same conclusion?

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Unread 05-23-2013, 06:29 PM   #2
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Is it lifted??? Could be the issue and you can only adjust the toe unless you got fancy ball joints. If you have someone at the steering wheel and they wiggle left and right crawl under and look at the tie rod ends and see if they are rolling a bit before they move and that will be your wander. If it is lifted did you install a drop pitman arm??? All things to consider and a Jeep is no comparison to a F-150. Mine is nothing like my F-150 in steering braking or performance. I love em both for their own distinct qualities.
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Unread 05-23-2013, 06:43 PM   #3
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No it's not lifted. Totally stock. Stock tires too. Everything up front is tight or replaced. What you say about comparing the jeep to the 150 is my point. No comparison to me. I wonder if the newer wranglers have better steering properties do to their longer wheelbase. What I'm getting at, is somewhat loose-wandering steering the norm with these yj's.?
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Unread 05-23-2013, 07:23 PM   #4
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Did you have it aligned?
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Unread 05-23-2013, 07:49 PM   #5
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Did you do the steering box adjustment. That helped mine a lot. Go to a car lot and test drive another one or a friend.
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Unread 05-24-2013, 01:32 AM   #6
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no its not normal.
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Unread 05-24-2013, 03:54 AM   #7
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Toe is right on, caster and camber are fixed, can't be adjusted without shims, really no need to adjust caster unless the jeep is lifted. I'm on my third new (remanufactored) steering box.
This is the best tutorial on jeep steering I've seen:
http://www.jeep-cj.com/forums/f99/tr...steering-4106/
It's for cj's but still applies.
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Unread 05-24-2013, 05:01 AM   #8
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I'm on my third new (remanufactored) steering box.
I need to replace my steering box soon. When you say you're on your third, is it because they're garbage? or is this over a longer timeline and they've been rightfully abused? Also, are you going with the reman'd YJ box or reman'd Durango/Dakota steering box?
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Unread 05-24-2013, 05:21 AM   #9
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The steering boxes I bought were remanufactored. I bought them from advance auto. The first was the wrong one. Three mounting bolts vs. four. The second had too much slop in it. The third is the most expensive rock climber. Not too happy with this one either. I haven't tried the dakota steering box swap. I don't want to mix and match then worry about things working properly.
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Unread 05-24-2013, 11:49 AM   #10
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No it's not normal. Mine wandered from one side of the lane to the other. 1991 with 145K miles. Replaced ball joints, no noticeable difference. Replaced steering gear box with same type removed. Before lowering back down off of jack stands, I moved the left front tire from side to side and discovered the lower universal joint in the intermediate steering shaft had slop in it. Order a new one and installed. My jeep now steers as tight as any new car that I have driven off the car lot. I have owed 4 Jeeps, and none of them have ever been this good. It really drives like a new vehicle and is a pleasure. I have a 4" lift, dropped pitman arm, and 33 tires also.
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Unread 05-24-2013, 02:54 PM   #11
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I wish I could share your experience peejpeej. I replaced my intermediate shaft and did notice some improvement too. I just can't say my jeep is "as tight as any new car that I have driven off the car lot". Everything I have done has improved the Jeep. It's just not where I want it yet.
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Unread 05-24-2013, 05:52 PM   #12
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My stock YJ steered amazingly well back in 1988 when I bought it. 25 years later (+ 150K miles, a 4" lift, V8, and a bunch of other mods) it now steers like crap. I'm going after the linkages first, then the ball joints, and then finally the steering box.
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Unread 05-24-2013, 06:08 PM   #13
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Mine steered fine with my stock axles and the 31s that I put on it. Then I upgraded to 33s and it still steered fine...I could take my hand off the wheel on the highway and stayed as true as my WJ. Then I swapped axles so that I could have 4.10s with the bigger tires and have been fighting with it ever since. Had an alignment done...they adjusted to 0 toe in. It got better when I re-adjusted to 1/16-1/8 toe in. They said ball joints, bearings and tie rod ends were all good. Going to replace intermediate shaft and have a durango box sitting in the garage.
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Unread 06-02-2013, 05:27 AM   #14
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I replaced the steering box again with a fenco. Didn't have much luck with Lares. Steering improved. I also replaced both tie-rod ends on the drag link with moogs. Again slight improvement. Learning not to go cheap with advance auto parts. Get Moogs. I can pick up the moogs at rockauto for about the same price as advance auto's cheap tie-rod ends.
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