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post #1 of 35 Old 10-19-2016, 09:20 AM Thread Starter
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YJ Offroad Advice, Tricks, and Techniques

After searching, I have yet to find a thread which consolidates any and all offroading advice, tricks, or techniques (some of which may be specific to YJ wranglers).

I'm calling on anyone and everyone to throw in their $.02 on offroading, whether it be the most basic and fundamental skill or something specific derived from past experience .

Some starting ideas include comparisons of different terrain handling, water crossings, airing down/up, what to bring, recovery tricks, etc etc etc. This thread is intended for everyone to add and pull from.

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I once saw some good advice on a youtube video: "Go as slow as possible, as fast as necessary." Use your momentum only if you won't make it by crawling.

Winch: basically, don't go alone your first time. It is always better to have a friend to tow you out. If you do go alone, you're going to want a winch. Know how to use it, have the proper winching tools - tree hugger, snatch block, gloves.

Tire Pressure. You're going to want to air down to about 10 psi on the tires. That's fine and all, but make sure you can air back up when you get back to pavement with an air compressor. Otherwise you'll want to drive really slowly to the nearest gas station.

Rear Axle. Go easy on the rear axle, especially if you have larger than stock tires. The YJ axle is a bit weak. You can't bounce your way up like with the upgrade Ford 8.8. If you have an LSD and you get stuck (high side, for instance), give it a little bit of parking brake to help activate both sides.

4WD: use it make sure it works before you go.

Spare Tire/Jack. Make sure your spare tire is in good shape, make sure you have your jack and that it works on a muddy surface. Bring a big block of strong ply wood or high density plastic to place on the ground underneath in case the ground is muddy.

CB and Ham radios can increase the fun factor enormously if you are traveling with another jeep/4x4 and could possibly save a life. Get one, learn to use it. My ham radio broadcasts my location to APRS on the internet (and/or directly to other local ham radios). I can set it to broadcast text messages or emails repeatedly until it hits a tower. You may not have cell service out there, and if so there is not much you can do. If you can master the Ham radio, there are all sorts of ways to increase signal and get help.

Food/Water/Blankets: it is getting colder out there. Bring enough food water and equipment (blanket) to spend the night in an emergency. The engine could die, you could break an axle, a flash flood could cut you off, etc.

Boots: Wear good boots. You might need to walk out, you might need to dig your way out of the mud.

Shovel: Carry a shovel. a real length is preferred, but I have a foldable e-tool that I always keep in there. The e-tool has definitely dug subcompact cars out of snow banks before.
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I have to say, be weary of where you tread. Many of the places I've gone wheeling are flood plains or otherwise unusable land- with that comes a lot of people dumping their trash and messes. Things such as nails, screws, rebar, and scrap metal pose a fairly serious hazard which many overlook... Personally, I have 3 nails stuck in my tread right now

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I have to say, be weary of where you tread. Many of the places I've gone wheeling are flood plains or otherwise unusable land- with that comes a lot of people dumping their trash and messes. Things such as nails, screws, rebar, and scrap metal pose a fairly serious hazard which many overlook... Personally, I have 3 nails stuck in my tread right now

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Ugh, good point. You don't have to be a hippy tree hugger to show some respect for the Earth and other people. wtf is wrong with people??! "welp, better dump this old mattress here so I don't have to pay $2 for disposal..."

Which brings up another good point. If you're looking for something to do, offroad out there, camp out, have some beers, and pick up some trash to bring home with you. I do this when fly fishing if the fish aren't biting (so most of the time..). Take a bit of trash out of the river just because I'm there anyway.

It's a pretty common site in Cleveland to see someone open their car door at a stop light and just dump a **** load of fast food wrappers into the street from their ****ty garbage car that isn't going to last another week anyway.
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Basic Tips
•Always travel in groups of 2 or more vehicles
•Always alert someone back home where you are going and when you expect to return
•Take at least a basic supply of tools and gear (see The Basic, Minimal Offroad Checklist)
Pre-departure Maintenance Checklist
•Check engine oil
•Check transmission oil
•Check brake fluid
•Check radiator coolant
•Check windshield wiper fluid
•Check fan belts
•Check hoses
•Check air cleaner
•Check seat belts
•Check tire air pressure (air up to recommended pressure for highway driving, air down at trail head, air up prior to trip home)
•Check for tire wear or damage
•Tighten drive shaft u-bolts
•Check and tighten lug bolts
•Check for frame cracks
•Check brake pads & shoes (adequate braking pad material, in good condition and without contamination)
•Check for loose bolts or nuts throughout vehicle
•Grease all fittings (u-joints, steering)
•Check gear oils: transfer case/differentials, replace if necessary
•Check Winch for proper operation, check winch cable for kinks, frays or damage, straighten winch cable if necessary
•Check shocks




The Basic, Minimal Offroad Checklist

The minimal list is the basics that you should always carry in your vehicle when offroad. These items are good to have in the vehicle at all times.
•First Aid Kit (See Safety and Survival below)
•Basic Personal Essentials (water, food)
•Spare Tire, Full Size
•Jack and tire iron to change your tire
•Tow strap
•Tree saver
•Come-alongs
•Basic Tool Kit
•Spare Key for vehicle


Safety and Survival
The First Aid Kit
First aid kits come in many shapes and sizes. You can buy them, or you can make your own kit. Whether you buy a first aid kit or put one together, make sure it has all the items you may need. Include any personal items, such as medications.
Here are suggestions for the contents of a first aid kit:
•Activated Charcoal (use only if instructed by Poison Control Center)
•Adhesive Tape
•Antiseptic Ointment
•Alcohol swabs, individually wrapped
•Band-Aids (assorted sizes)
•Blanket
•Cold Pack
•Disposable Gloves
•Gauze Pads and Roller Gauze (assorted sizes)
•Hand Cleaner
•Plastic Bags
•Scissors and Tweezers
•Small Flashlight and Extra Batteries
•Syrup of Ipecac (use only if instructed by Poison Control Center)
•Triangular Bandage
•Burnaid gel
•Snake Bite kit
•Disposable emergency blanket
•Instant Cold pack
•Instant Hot pack
•Medications:
Anti-diarrhea medication, Tylenol ( fever reducer), Ibuprofen (Nuprin, Motrin, Advil) inflammation reduction, sprains bruises, etc, Benadryl for mild allergic reactions, Epinephrine in the form of an Epi Pen to treat more serious allergic reactions that might otherwise be fatal.

Safety Items
•Safety Glasses
•Leather Gloves
•Fire Extinguisher - Should be mounted in the vehicle in an easily accessible location.
•Flares
•Tarp
•flashlights
•matches / lighter
Basic Personal Essentials
•Water - At least one Gallon per person, per day if not more. Drier, hotter climates may require more. Remember: Alcohol doesn't hydrate. In fact alcoholic beverages dehydrate since it take more water to metabolize alcohol than the beverage contains. Plus it may cause you to require the above mentioned First Aid Kit.
•Food - Bring food for twice the amount of time you are planning on being gone. Should you be delayed and have to spend a night out on the trail, you wont have to worry about going hungry. Good ideas for trail food: trail mix, beef jerky, fruits, dry/canned food, etc.
•Extra Cloths - Nobody likes to sit in wet cloths or an extended period of time.
•Personal items - This includes toilet paper, anti- microbial hand cleaner, etc
•Sun block
•Rain Jacket
•Communication devices - Cell Phone, CB Radio, GMRS/FRS radios
•Power inverter if necessary (e.g. Cell phone recharger, battery recharger for communication devices and camera)
•Trash bags - Keep your trails clean
•Maps, information about the area
•Compass or GPS
•Water purification tablets



Survival - Seasonal Specific

Winter
•Extra clothing
•Warm outer layers (jacket, wind breaker)
•Head gear (warm hat, hooded jacket)
•Emergency blanket (compact survival type)

Summer
•Sun Block
•Insect repellant
•Sunglasses




Beyond the Basic Offroad Checklist

What goes beyond the basic checklist are items that depend on many factors. Factors like what form of offroading you will be doing, your driving style, the terrain you will encounter, how much room you have for packing gear, how remote you will be traveling, how long you will be gone as well as many other factors you should consider. However three primary things you should gear up for are Safety and Survival, Vehicle Recovery and Vehicle Breakage.


Vehicle Recovery

Recovery Items
•Hilift Jack
•Tow straps - 2 or more, 2 inch width or wider, 20 foot or longer
•Tree saver
•Come-along (one or more)
•D-rings, Shackles
•Shovel
•Chainsaw and bar oil, 2 cycle engine oil, spare chain (can be handy in recover situations, as well as for trail clearing on wooded trails)
•Winch Kit: tree strap, hi-lift jack, snatch block, pickle fork, shackle, gloves
•Pullpal
• Snow tire chains (if tires don't cut it)


Tools


Basic Tools
Basic tools are the versatile, essential tool sets that consist of a variety of sizes and combinations of commonly used tools such as socket sets, wrench sets, Allen wrenches, Torx sets and screw drivers. Your tool sets should cover the variety of sizes found in your vehicle. Regardless of whether your vehicle is American made or an import 4x4, when it comes to socket sets and wrenches, it's sometimes wise to carry standard and metric socket since sometimes there are a mix of both standard and metric on custom vehicles not to mention helping a fellow 4wheeler.
•Complete Socket Set with SAE (standard) and Metric with 3/8" and 1/2" drives. Deep and standard sockets.
•Crescent, open end combination box wrenches SAE (standard) and Metric
•Allen Wrenches
•Torx sockets (especially if you own a Jeep)
•Standard & Phillips screwdrivers, large, medium, small


Versatile Tools
Versatile tools are those that have many uses.
•Large Hammer (a.k.a. the "BFH")
•Pliers (various sizes)
•Needle Nose Pliers
•Vice Grips, various sizes
•Large channel-lock Pliers
• Pipe wrenches - having 2 medium of these can be useful for tie-rods.
•Utility knife or razor blades
•Crescent wrenches (medium & large)
•A BIG pry bar or length of strong metal pipe, inside diameter of pipe large enough to slip over a wrench or socket drive for extra leverage.
•Magnet


Specialty Tools
•Snap ring pliers
•Air Pressure Gauge
•Portable air pump
•Jumper cables


Additional Items

Versatile Items
•Duct Tape
•Bailing wire
• wood blocks - Useful as chock blocks, jacking platforms, ramps, suspension supports (for broken torsion bars)
•Bungee cords, several in multiple sizes - good for securing gear, temporary repairs, etc.
•Rope lengths
•Super glue
•Epoxy
•Tie wraps
•rags
•Work Gloves, leather


For the Vehicle

Fluids
•Engine Oil
•Brake Fluid
•Power steering fluid
•Automatic transmission fluid
•Coolant or Water
•Bearing Grease
•WD-40
•Starter Fluid
• Extra gas
•Funnel, siphon hose
Spare Parts / Repair Items
•Lug Wrench
•Extra Fan / serpentine belts
•Hoses, fuel line, coolant hoses
•Spare Tire
•Tire repair kits, plugs
•Extra Lug nuts, tire star wrench or lug key with key socket
•Cotter pins / keys - various sizes
•Valve stems, Valve stem remover
•Nuts & bolts assorted standard and metric sizes
•RTV or Hylomar HPF - form-a-gasket
•Radiator stop leak - silver flakes in tube
•Spare Hub (and hub fuses if applicable).
•Electric fuel pump
•Coil / electronic ignition
•Spare Universal Joints (U-joints for drive shaft & axles)
•Spare Drive Shaft (rear and front)
•Extra spark plug wire (size of longest wire)
•Spare points
Electronics Repair Kit
•Volt ohms meter (multimeter)
•Wire cutters / wire crips / wire strippers (multi-tool)
•Spare fuses of all sizes and types used in your vehicle
•Electrical tape
•Spare wire - lengths of various gauges
•Spare switches
•Spare relay if you use relays
•crip on ends (male and female, various gauges)
•Small pocket sized needle point blow torch (handy for soldering wire)
•Flux core solder for repairs
•Wiring Diagram of your vehicle


Expanded List


The Expanded list includes items for the extreme wheeler with tools and gadgets that you may want to consider if you are serious about offroading.
•Winch and Winch Accessories
•Onboard Welder, welding supplies and welding gear
•Onboard Air
•Spare axles (rear left / right, front left / right)
•Spare tie rod assemblies (tie rod, drag link, ball joints, ball joint nuts and cotter pins)
•Spare Idler Arm
•Parts that have broken twice before (if you can't carry it, you should have upgraded it)

Camping List for Extended Stay or Remote Excursions
•Maps, information about the area
•Camera
•Compass or GPS
•Duct Tape
•Flashlight
•Propane Lanterns
•Mosquito repellant
•Lighter, matches
•Firewood
•A knife of some sort
•Toilet paper
•Towel
•Water purification pills
•Backpack/sacks
•Cooler with beverages
•Cooking Pans for breakfast
•Paper plates
•Paper towels
•Folding camping chairs
•Sleeping bag
•Sleeping pad or air mattress
•Stove or grill and fuel
•Tarps, lots of tarps
•Tent(s)
•Bathing suit
•Flip flops or swimming shoes (no bare feet while swimming)
•Funky fishing hat
•Hiking boots
•Rain jacket
•Sunglasses
•Sunblock
• Binoculars
•Bottle opener
• Cooler cup
• Jacket
• Pocket knife
•Snacks
• Trash bag
• Water
• Extra keys
• Compass
• Sunscreen
• Hat
• Sunglasses and/or goggles
• Ice and ice chest or cooler
• Camera, case, film and batteries
• Maps: Sidekick Off Road Maps, state, county, Forestry, BLM Desert Access Guide, etc.

•25 Tips to do before going Offroad
1.Check the Basics - Check all your fluids -coolant, oil, windshield washer fluid, power steering fluid, brake fluid, ATF, differentials, etc. Make sure there are no leaks, everything is at the proper level, and carry extra fluids just in case. Also check the air filter and the air filter box for debris. Also, if you are aware of any mechanical or electrical problems with your 4x4, repair them before hand.

2.Check the Tires - Check the condition of your tires, including the spare. Be sure they are all inflated to the proper highway speed pressures. Take note of your tread and think about the terrain you will be traveling on. Are you ready for that deep mud hole with that tread?

3.Ball Joints - Check all your ball joints, tie rods ends and wheel bearings by jacking up and securing the front of your 4x4. Grab the tire by the and at the top and bottom, and check for any excess movement by rocking the wheel in and out. Do the same by rocking the tire side to side. Any excessive free play should be checked out by a qualified mechanic. Also check the rear in the same manner. In solid rear axles you're checking for worn bearings and other damage.

4.Shocks - Check your shocks for signs of leakage or damage or just plain worn out. Your going to need those shocks.

5.Plan the Trip / Inform Others - Tell those that should know where you are going, when you are leaving and when you’ll be back. Let them know when they should start to worry about you if they haven’t heard from you. Give them contacts in case they need them. Prepare your trip. Have a map of the area you are going to and how you should get there (and home again).

6.Weather - Watch the weather for the region you are visiting and the route along the way. Be prepared with the appropriate clothing and protective gear (rain jacket, hats, sunglasses, lip balm, sunscreen). Pack extra clothing in case you get wet or it gets a little colder than expected. Even if you are not "planning" to stay the night, its good to have a sleeping bag. Its better to be over prepared than under prepared.

7.Necessities and Nature's Calling - Bring a roll of toilet paper packed in a air tight zip-lock plastic bag. In fact, ALWAYS carry a roll in your vehicle. When you need it, you’ll thank yourself for putting it there.

8.Communications to the World - Pack a cell phone and give it a full charge before departing. Pack the phone car adapter or the 120 volt charger along with a power inverter. When you're remote and offroad, you can still find a signal even if its atop a ridge or up a tree. Be aware that if your are out of signal range, your cell phone will be hunting for a signal and this will deplete your cell phone's battery quicker than just sitting in standby when in range.

9.GPS Navigating - A handheld GPS is a great thing to have. Prices have come down to the point that if you spend any time in the woods or off the road, you should have one. Hand-held units are easy to operate and once you are familiar with it, it can be a valuable tool to get you places. Should a real emergency arise, you'll learn quickly how valuable they can be. Bring spare batteries in a zip-lock bag and a car adapter for the GPS unit.

10.Communications Vehicle to Vehicle / Person to Person - Handheld Family Radio Service (FRS) walkie-talkies are very handy and inexpensive. They have great range and are very portable. Whether on foot or in the vehicles, it makes good sense to carry one. And communication can add to the fun and in the case of an emergency where the you need to temporarily split up the party, you do no want to be out of touch. If you have to separate, stay in range. CB Radio's also fall in this category but are less portable (most units stay with the vehicle) and the range is sometimes shorter than FRS (and the GMRS frequencies on more FRS radios) depending on the radio and the antennas.

11.Food / Water - Bring plenty of food and drink. Even on the short trips. Bottled water, energy bars, and dried fruit, sports drinks, anything that has compact energy are good items to pack. Pack items that do not need refrigeration. Avoid salty foods such as chips and salsa, beef jerky, unless you have plenty to drink. And no, beer doesn't count. In fact it takes water to metabolize alcohol so the beer and liquor will dehydrate, not hydrate you. Alcohol is never a good idea when you have to think clearly.

12.Top off the Gas - Fill the gas tank prior to every trip. When you reach your destination, top it off again before hitting the trail. The last thing you want to do is start worrying about running out of gas while offroad. Remember the One-Third/Two-Third Rule: Use one-third of a tank to get where you are going and save two-thirds for getting out. If your fuel tank doesn’t have the capacity for the offroad portion of the trip, carry extra fuel or re-think your route.

13.Transporting Gas - Always carry your extra fuel outside the vehicle. Fuel containers have vents and gasoline fumes are explosive and toxic.

14.Jumper Cables - Have a good set of jumper cables with heavy-gauge wire and quality connectors.

15.Recovery Straps and Come-Alongs - Bring at least one recover strap, preferably 2 or more and make sure you have a place to hook it up on your vehicle front and rear. Also get a good come-along if you don't have a winch. A High-Lift jack also doubles as a come-along and a jack (and lots more). Its also good to have extra pieces of recover equipment such as a D-ring or two and a tree saver. If you have a winch, make sure you have winch related equipment such as a snatch block, gloves, tree saver, Pull-Pal, etc.

16.Belts and Hoses - Check all your belts and hoses, and carry spares. The lower radiator hose is the one that usually gets damaged while off-roading, so ensure that you have a spare. Alternator/water-pump belts are the most important. Newer vehicles often use serpentine belts. While much less prone to failure, they can be difficult to change. The are also expensive, but carry one. Replacing an old serpentine belt and saving the original as a spare is a good idea.

17.Jack - Make sure you have a working jack and know how to use it. A High-Lift jack is a great universal tool and also doubles as a come-along (and lots more).

18.Spare for the Spare Tire - If you have room, carry a second spare wheel and tire. At the very least, carry a repair kit just in case. Nothing is worse than getting a second flat tire on the same trip.

19.Cold Weather Wheeling - If there is even the remotest possibility of snow, or if you will be at high altitude, carry tire chains for all four wheels and know how to install them. Don’t forget the chain tensioners, which look like big rubber bands with hooks. Remember that the chain tensioners will deteriorate over time, so check them periodically for cracks and splits.

20.Tool Kit - Carry a tool kit that covers the basics of your vehicle. Put your own together, don't use one of the Christmas gift kits that are junk in a pouch. Carry quality tools. See this checklist

21.First Aid - Carry a well equipped first-add kit. See this checklist

22.Emergency Kit - Carry an emergency kit that covers situation beyond first aid. This might include special medication, poison ivy treatment, etc. See this checklist

23.Flashlight - Carry a flashlight and an extra set of fresh batteries

24.Blocks of Wood - Brink a few scraps of plywood measuring about about 10 to 12 inches square. You may need them to support your jack if you have to change a tire on the uneven ground. 2x4 or 4x4 blocks also come on handy.

25.Lights and Markers - Make sure you headlights, taillights, and brake lights work. A ticket from local law enforcement can be a bummer. It’s a good idea to carry spare bulbs.

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What kind of "offroading" are you looking to do? Exploring down abandoned roads? Moderate wheeling? Pushing your Jeep to the limit to see what it will make it over/up? That will dictate what you need to go prepared with and how you need to approach things.
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Get familiar with jacking up your jeep it will pay off when your on a trail.practice shifting in and out of 4x4 before hand. Always Wear your seat belts,many interior face injuries happen while romping. Carry a compressor and air down when you need to. Stay calm and enjoy your jeep.
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What kind of "offroading" are you looking to do? Exploring down abandoned roads? Moderate wheeling? Pushing your Jeep to the limit to see what it will make it over/up? That will dictate what you need to go prepared with and how you need to approach things.
I'm not looking for anything specific; the purpose of starting this thread was to consolidate offroading related information for new/future jeepers.

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i smell a sticky coming on...

great thread idea.

this will also be engine and tranny and suspension specific, lock or unlocked. There are some specifics as I have learned here that all wheeling trips should have. However for tips will vary immensely based on the level of the jeep build and its driver's experience/confidence.

If you have an open 4 banger....dont be afraid of the skinny pedal on inclined slick rocks - just dont bump it on ledges....My understanding is that popping off your seat was the point , not popping your diff lol

Stop whining about the 'ride' - If your YJ ain't wrangling your soul free, then might I suggest you buy a stationwagon... at least you can fit all your bull**** in the back.
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Ugh, good point. You don't have to be a hippy tree hugger to show some respect for the Earth and other people. wtf is wrong with people??! "welp, better dump this old mattress here so I don't have to pay $2 for disposal..."

Which brings up another good point. If you're looking for something to do, offroad out there, camp out, have some beers, and pick up some trash to bring home with you. I do this when fly fishing if the fish aren't biting (so most of the time..). Take a bit of trash out of the river just because I'm there anyway.

It's a pretty common site in Cleveland to see someone open their car door at a stop light and just dump a **** load of fast food wrappers into the street from their ****ty garbage car that isn't going to last another week anyway.
People really just dump trash from their car?

x2 on the picking up trash. in addition, offering to pick up trash is also a pretty good bargaining chip when trying to persuade someone to let you wheel on their land.

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i smell a sticky coming on...

great thread idea.

this will also be engine and tranny and suspension specific.
Thanks! I was pretty surprised this hasn't been done before. Hopefully it helps a lot of those new to jeeps & offroading.

Transmission specific... hmmm..

Well, i think it -almost- goes without saying: If you try to wheel your YJ with the peugeot BA10/5, don't expect it to last long.
I broke mine on day 2 of offroading last december while trying to get "un-stuck". When I hit around 4k in reverse there was a loud BANG followed by 20 or so rapid tinks... and then my wheels weren't spinning anymore! I think between the PO and I, the world was rid of 3 peugeot reverse gears in a matter of 5 years.It wasn't too big of a deal though, because I really just went out to get the last life out of that 10/5 before I rebuilt the engine & swapped in an AX15.
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Well, it has been done before in one form or another over the years. Whether it was a thread on driving tips, recovery process, recovery preparation, trail tool bag contents etc. That's why I asked about specifics, otherwise you will end up packing the kitchen sink...

Not trying to be a Negative Nancy, just pointing out that what some other guy packs in his Jeep may not be what I need where I wheel and vice-versa.


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post #15 of 35 Old 10-19-2016, 04:17 PM
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I think one of the best things is to know the limits of your ability, the limits of your Jeeps ability. Push the limits safely with friends to increase your knowledge and skill but never push them if your on your own. Its hard to tell when the limits will push you back.
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