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Unread 05-03-2010, 08:40 PM   #16
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Here is something to try. When it will not start turn the key on. Make sure it's in neutral!!! Jump the starter at solenoid (the starter's heavy( battery ) wire and the small wire) see if it will turn over. If it does the problem is between the switch and the starter. Now if does not start then I would look at replacing the starter.

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Unread 05-03-2010, 08:51 PM   #17
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Went to O'Reilly today, got a new starter (more powerful and lifetime warranty for $70), took 20 minutes to put it in and voila! starts every time (so far).

New starter came with a new solenoid as well so I guess we'll never know which one was the culprit... or care really >.>
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Unread 05-03-2010, 08:52 PM   #18
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x2 with Dodger. If the starter isnt turning over make sure your not in gear and try and jump the stater solinoid. It narrows it down. I guess the other question is when it doesnt start listen to hear if your fuel pump is coming on when you try and start and if you see the Check engine light. I know its not the clasic symptoms of the bad caps or crank but it does tell you where your ignition feed is going.
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Unread 05-04-2010, 10:14 AM   #19
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UPDATE

Replaced the starter last night. Started 3 times, went to bed. This morning, same issue - no start. So I connected both terminals on the solenoid and BAM - starts right up.

What is left that could cause intermittent issues like this? I know it's not the starter or solenoid, not the power connection between the battery and starter... very likely not a bad ground (not likely to be intermittent)... so what should I check next?
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Unread 05-04-2010, 10:34 AM   #20
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Check your ignition switch. Sound like where all your problem is.
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Unread 05-04-2010, 12:41 PM   #21
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Check you starter relay on the firewall underneath the battery tray and see if your ignition feed is getting there. If you have the ignition feed at the relay then its either a fuseable link or a bad relay. If its good then the ignition switch is bad.
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Unread 05-04-2010, 02:00 PM   #22
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Check you starter relay on the firewall underneath the battery tray and see if your ignition feed is getting there. If you have the ignition feed at the relay then its either a fusible link or a bad relay. If its good then the ignition switch is bad.
Good advice except the O.P. has a '92, therefor he has no fusible links and the starter relay is located in the PDC in front of the battery. Could be a bad cable from battery to the starter (internally corroded), a bad ignition switch as previously suggested, or the starter relay and or it's contacts that the relay terminals plug into could be corroded.
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Unread 05-04-2010, 04:53 PM   #23
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Good advice except the O.P. has a '92, therefor he has no fusible links and the starter relay is located in the PDC in front of the battery. Could be a bad cable from battery to the starter (internally corroded), a bad ignition switch as previously suggested, or the starter relay and or it's contacts that the relay terminals plug into could be corroded.
It was the ignition switch. Swapped it out today and haven't had an issue yet, so w00t!

I bought new battery cables too, but haven't installed them yet since no one likes confounding variables. I'll give it a couple of days to make sure the intermittent issue no longer happens, then I'll install the cables.

I'm using my old starter now too. I know I know, at 170k it isn't a bad thing to have a new starter anyway. BUT my old starter works like its brand new and this saved me about $100. That's a lot of money to spend on a replacement part that doesn't need to be replaced!
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Unread 05-04-2010, 04:57 PM   #24
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It was the ignition switch. Swapped it out today and haven't had an issue yet, so w00t!

I bought new battery cables too, but haven't installed them yet since no one likes confounding variables. I'll give it a couple of days to make sure the intermittent issue no longer happens, then I'll install the cables.

I'm using my old starter now too. I know I know, at 170k it isn't a bad thing to have a new starter anyway. BUT my old starter works like its brand new and this saved me about $100. That's a lot of money to spend on a replacement part that doesn't need to be replaced!
Congrats! Hope this fix has legs
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