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Unread 06-15-2012, 03:50 PM   #16
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Question, do the ends of the tire carrier fit inside the jeeps hinges? If yes I would suggest that you cut the bottom carrier bracket to get both the top and bottom mounts inside the hinges and using a smaller tube, slips it inside the bracket and weld it. That would give you the strength back in the bracket AND get the mounting points inside the hinges making it stronger overall.

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Unread 06-15-2012, 05:42 PM   #17
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I say leave it where it is and throw some spacers where the tailgate used to connect. Then just throw some longer screws on and you'll be all set with little mod and cost as that seems to be the theme you wanted. Check out the below website. You can basically get any fastener in any size you could ever want.
http://www.mcmaster.com/#unthreaded-spacers/=hzqoyx
This is what I will do first. I plan on mounting my hi-lift and gerry can to the swing out carrier. I am going to do what I originally was going to for now to test the strength of it. Inside the hinge where the bolt will be exposed I am going to put a steel sleeve for aesthetics and strength. Gonna try and do this so that it is a simple thing to do and not too much fabrication is needed. I already have the necessary hardware but thanks for the link! For the way I was originally going to do it, I will be using two grade 8 bolts that are 1/2x4 inches and a lock nut and lock washer
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Unread 06-15-2012, 05:45 PM   #18
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Question, do the ends of the tire carrier fit inside the jeeps hinges? If yes I would suggest that you cut the bottom carrier bracket to get both the top and bottom mounts inside the hinges and using a smaller tube, slips it inside the bracket and weld it. That would give you the strength back in the bracket AND get the mounting points inside the hinges making it stronger overall.
I am going to mount them for now how it is shown in the picture, but this is another idea as well that will allow me to utilize the stock hinge locations. I know that it will not be a problem for me, but I want to try it the other way first so that those who have limited resources and crafting experience can comfortably do this. If I am not happy with the strength the way I am going to do it then I will make necessary changes. Thank you again for a great idea.
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Unread 06-18-2012, 05:22 PM   #19
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Do u have any new pics of the tire on?
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Unread 06-22-2012, 12:23 PM   #20
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have been busy rebuilding my dirtbike motor and tube fenders! Will hopefully finish today!
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Unread 06-22-2012, 05:31 PM   #21
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My .02: I would have lined up the rivets so that they are directly in line with each other vertically. Just an aesthetic thing but I'm anal like that sometimes.

This is a great write up! I'm going to be doing this eventually. I've always liked the drop down tailgate mod. I have an OR Fab spare tire carrier (Gerry Can vers.) so I won't be doing the tire carrier part. Can't wait to see the pics of your finished mod.
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Unread 06-22-2012, 07:23 PM   #22
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man, i wish i could see the pictures. it sounds like you really have a good idea. congratulations on thinking outside the box to come up with such an easy tire carrier.
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Unread 06-22-2012, 10:30 PM   #23
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Nice write up. I was planning on doing something very similar.
I like the idea of having a 'work table' in the back and didn't want to have the weight of a swing arm on my bumper. Plus you can change your bumper if you come across a deal on one and don't have to worry about it holding the tire.
I do not know how well bending it to fit within the hinges will work. You will change the length of them if you bend them.

How well does the tail gate lock up when closed?
Is it a problem with the tail gate down and getting in the back of the jeep? Someone brought up the question when I stated I wanted to change mine.
I have an extra set of factory hinges that I was going to modify to do the tail gate change.
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Unread 06-23-2012, 12:19 AM   #24
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My .02: I would have lined up the rivets so that they are directly in line with each other vertically. Just an aesthetic thing but I'm anal like that sometimes.

This is a great write up! I'm going to be doing this eventually. I've always liked the drop down tailgate mod. I have an OR Fab spare tire carrier (Gerry Can vers.) so I won't be doing the tire carrier part. Can't wait to see the pics of your finished mod.
With the two pieces of steel? That is what I tried to do but it wasn't perfect. I plan to monstaline my corners and those steel pieces on the tailgate, I'm just not into shiny stuff on my jeep!
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Unread 06-23-2012, 12:22 AM   #25
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Nice write up. I was planning on doing something very similar.
I like the idea of having a 'work table' in the back and didn't want to have the weight of a swing arm on my bumper. Plus you can change your bumper if you come across a deal on one and don't have to worry about it holding the tire.
I do not know how well bending it to fit within the hinges will work. You will change the length of them if you bend them.

How well does the tail gate lock up when closed?
Is it a problem with the tail gate down and getting in the back of the jeep? Someone brought up the question when I stated I wanted to change mine.
I have an extra set of factory hinges that I was going to modify to do the tail gate change.
When I put the tailgate up it locks just as well as it did when it swung out because I just used the original latch.
I still have not put my limiting straps on the tailgate so I do not how it will be getting in the back but I am a pretty lengthy guy so it will not be a problem for me, and my utility box is as close to the tailgate as it can be. The hinges I used were already powdercoated black and they were only 7 bucks each
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Unread 06-23-2012, 12:23 AM   #26
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man, i wish i could see the pictures. it sounds like you really have a good idea. congratulations on thinking outside the box to come up with such an easy tire carrier.
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Unread 06-23-2012, 02:19 AM   #27
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Welp internet went down at home. Luckily I noticed before i tried to post the rest so its all saved on a word document waiting to be posted! Will do ASAP tomorrow
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Unread 06-23-2012, 11:58 AM   #28
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Sorry the rest of this has taken so long! This, along with the rebuild of my dirt bike engine is what I have been up to this last week. Feels great having no school work!


First I picked up four of these guys. They are 1/2 inch diameter, forgot how long exactly they are. This is what I am going to use two of them for. The plastic thing that I put the sleeve in is another sleeve out of the original carrier set up on the Blazer.


Right here is the top mount without the nylock and lock washer. It is a 4 inch long 1/2inch grade 8 bolt and a 1/2 I.D. and 1 inch outside diameter washer. The plastic part with the steel sleeve in it shown in the above picture is in the carrier itself and is what the grade 8 bolt is going through, along with another one of those sleeves where the bolt threads are exposed. All the blue stuff all over everything is marine grease. I put a very generous amount between every mating surface and went with marine because well it rains a lot in Washington!


Here is what the carrier latches onto. It has a slight curvature to it so it will not work on our tailgates so I ended up taking a cutting wheel to it. The only thing the half that I cut off had was a little rubber bump stop for the top part of the carrier, but there is one build into the carrier for the latch plate so it is no big deal missing. Here is a picture of the latch in one piece (still cut but pushed together).


Here is a picture of it cut, the left part is the bump stop deal and the right is what the carrier latches onto (only part that I will use).


Bottom hinge all bolted and greased up.


Top hinge all bolted and greased up.


Here is a mock up of the latch on the tailgate. I just latched it to the carrier and pushed it against the tailgate.


Another mock up of how it will sit


Here is the latch all bolted up (self taping screws ) and taped waiting for paint


All painted. Ran out of black and closest was cast aluminum so why not!


Pictures of it all put together! I opened it up and put all my body weight on the very end of it and it didn't even budge! The key to success is grade 8 hardware!!!!!!!



Last but not least a picture of my little helper! If by helping means always sitting next to me waiting for some attention haha


The only problem now is the bolt pattern on this one is smaller. I have not decided what to do yet but have though about a couple different options.
1. Cut the plate off that has the studs off both carriers and weld the old one to this one (people without welders will not be able to do).
2. Buy a wheel spacer that changes the lug pattern (do not know if it will be sold as a single adapter anywhere).
3. Cut the studs that are currently on the carrier off, measure where the studs should be, drill holes accordingly, and press and weld in place.

I am going to mount my gerry can and hi-lift to it this week and will also describe each step along the way on how I did it (going to mount the gerry can with old bumper ends!)

Feel free to ask questions, give constructive criticism, and steal this idea and donate to me so I can have a premium membership!!!!!!!!!! Thanks everyone
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Unread 06-23-2012, 02:29 PM   #29
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Looks good!!!

Pic with tire/wheel next please when you get the stud sizing figured out
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Unread 06-23-2012, 05:14 PM   #30
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Looks good!!!

Pic with tire/wheel next please when you get the stud sizing figured out
will do sir I am also wondering if cutting the correct size holes in the wheel would compromise the strength of the wheel
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