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Unread 07-28-2013, 06:40 AM   #16
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I'd go back to the starter. (Are you getting them from Autozone? I've had terrible results there). I had one starter (Autozone) where the gear did not fully retract and would erratically touch the flywheel. One experiment would be to space the starter out with a washer at each bolt and see if that changes anything.
thanks for your help jay-h. if anything the starter seems to short. last weeks flexplate grinded a mark into the nose cone. ( right at the end of the bendex gear slide). & yes it is from autozone. i did a search and this starter part number is the same for the 1991 4.0 engine as well. i have heard that 4.0 startets wont work on a 4.2. should i try to exchange the starter. and if so for what?

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Unread 07-28-2013, 07:59 AM   #17
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thanks for your help jay-h. if anything the starter seems to short. last weeks flexplate grinded a mark into the nose cone. ( right at the end of the bendex gear slide). & yes it is from autozone. i did a search and this starter part number is the same for the 1991 4.0 engine as well. i have heard that 4.0 startets wont work on a 4.2. should i try to exchange the starter. and if so for what?
I had repeated problems with AZ starters, they would replace them each time but I did not want to riske screwing up my flywheel teeth. You can get an OEM I believe from Quadratec, also I think that NAPA actually offers a couple of grades.

However I bit the bullet and got a Mean Green, which was probably overkill but has been quite satisfactory.
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Unread 07-28-2013, 04:56 PM   #18
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yea its like the nose cone on the starter is not long enough. no one offers a longer nosed starter. my original flexplate teeth where shinny and a little chipped on the side facing the engine. but I don't recall this noise when starting. also my original starter was shaped different around where it sits in the circle (dust shield). I don't want to destroy all this new stuff
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Unread 07-29-2013, 04:00 AM   #19
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For what it's worth, the mean Green starter does not have a cone.

http://www.quadratec.com/products/55111_5002.htm
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Unread 07-29-2013, 01:18 PM   #20
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is it possible the rebuilt engine i put in was a 1987 whitch would need a differant starter? the guy told me it eas a 89. the head bolts on it are the same size as my 90 engine. would that cause the flex plate to sit back more to the tranny?
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Unread 07-29-2013, 05:21 PM   #21
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There are two different starter styles used on the 4.2. A motorcraft ford style and a Mitsubishi style. You might have the opposite one that fits your flywheel. I have a 98 block in my 87 and it uses a ford style starter with a solenoid that hangs on the firewall.
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Unread 07-30-2013, 03:39 AM   #22
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There are two different starter styles used on the 4.2. A motorcraft ford style and a Mitsubishi style. You might have the opposite one that fits your flywheel. I have a 98 block in my 87 and it uses a ford style starter with a solenoid that hangs on the firewall.
ok. so does the ford starter stick in to the tranny more? i dont no whats going on that original clank noise is gone since the new torque converter. but lats night it sounded ok . then i re- started it like a hour later.(added a ground to starter) and at idle it sounded like a diesel . i thought it was coming from the rockers standing up. than i crawled under and its from inside bellhousing. im at my end bro. im going to call the guy i got the 4.2 from today. he gave me a 12,000 - 1 year on it. i just feel like its in the tranny. but maybe not. i pulled plugs one at a time & no change. there is no for or aft play in thrust bearing. oh and the flexplate is a z-187 from APT. advance auto. thanks allot for your help man..
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Unread 07-30-2013, 04:53 AM   #23
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its something about the flywheels having to match the starter. i don;t remember but it took me a few stores to get the right starter for my jeep. the guys on here are the reason i knew about it and was able to find the right one.

i will try and search for the info again. it was about a year ago i went through this
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Unread 07-30-2013, 04:56 AM   #24
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Unread 07-30-2013, 06:12 AM   #25
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i was searching and see that the ford starters bolt up through the bottom. so that idea is out the window.
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Unread 07-30-2013, 07:14 AM   #26
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mine is a ford starter and it is side bolts. bottom bolts are chevy starters in the 80s. they will bolt in and the flywheels will interchange too
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Unread 07-30-2013, 07:16 AM   #27
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this is a mitsubishi style

and this is a ford style
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Unread 07-30-2013, 07:48 AM   #28
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this is a mitsubishi style

and this is a ford style
ok. cool. im gonna try that one i guess. its like there is a bend in one spot on the flexplate. starter sounds like ra ra ra clunk ra ra ra clunk. lol... all 4 flexplates cant have been bent in the same way
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Unread 08-08-2013, 11:30 AM   #29
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Update.. so the shop i got the new engine called & said noise is gone. they found a flexplate that is from 79-88 and noise is gone. they are charging me $750. im a little pissed. when i bought the 4.2 from him he told me it was a 1989. so the flexplate i got was a Z187. 1988-90. if he would have new the correct year i would'nt have gone through this & tried replacing 4 flexplates that cracked and a new torque converter that cracked too. what do you guys think?? im gonna pick jeep up saterday morning and it better be silent.
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Unread 08-08-2013, 07:24 PM   #30
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When I finally decided to retire my 258 (after a long and successful life), I ordered an engine from Jasper and they were very particular about getting my serial number and matching a compatible one. Perhaps this is part of the reason. (I wouldn't have thought it that critical)
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