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Unread 04-12-2013, 12:48 PM   #31
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i would go BDS, or OME. OME will give you the better ride, BDS will give you lifetime replacement coverage on the parts you get as long as you are the original owner of the lift.

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Unread 05-07-2013, 01:16 PM   #32
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so kits installed. first off, its way higher than 2.5". i think RC uses the same springs for a 2.5 and a 4". one sags, one rides high. oye. does ride decent though; it has some driveline vibes, which i assume is due to the height; i'm going to put a tcase drop on it to help it out; although i'm sure if it sags a bit that wo uld help it.

i took the track bars and sway bars off and didn't really tighten the shackles. it rides better than stock. for price, very happy with it for now. and like i said, i hope it sags! its to tall. here's some pics
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Unread 05-07-2013, 02:03 PM   #33
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So you wanted people to talk you out of it and they made a pretty convincing arguement and you still bought rough country.

Welcome to my ignore list, troll.
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Unread 05-07-2013, 02:26 PM   #34
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Lol good luck

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my tj 1/2 doors on a yj write up
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RC vs BDS
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Unread 05-07-2013, 03:12 PM   #35
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Please tighten your shackles to keep innocent bystanders safe. 100 ft.lbs

If you have to leave them loose for ride quality, you did something wrong...
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Unread 05-07-2013, 03:14 PM   #36
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Please tighten your shackles to keep innocent bystanders safe. 100 ft.lbs

If you have to leave them loose for ride quality, you did something wrong...
there is no reason to put them at 100. most guys tighten to 40 or 50lbs with zero issues. 100 is way too tight. idc what jeep says i'll never tighten shackles to 100 ft lbs
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1994 yj stretched, locked and loaded - 6.0l vortec lq4, 4l60e, np231, Dana 44s 37" interco trxus m/t, 3.5" bds front leafs, double triangulated 4 link rear on xj front coils.
1997 ZJ limited - BONE stock
2003 tj - 4in skyjacker, 33" mickey thompsons
my on board alternator/welder write up
[url]http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f12/alternator-welder-write-up-1301614/[/url]
my tj 1/2 doors on a yj write up
[url]http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f12/tj-uppers-yj-half-doors-hard-top-installation-1417686/[/url]
RC vs BDS
[url]http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f12/rough-country-vs-bds-1461555/[/url]
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Unread 05-07-2013, 03:25 PM   #37
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there is no reason to put them at 100. most guys tighten to 40 or 50lbs with zero issues. 100 is way too tight. idc what jeep says i'll never tighten shackles to 100 ft lbs
It's in the Chrysler shop manual. 100 and 105 ft.lbs. Section 2, page 15
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Unread 05-07-2013, 03:29 PM   #38
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It's in the Chrysler shop manual. 100 and 105 ft.lbs. Section 2, page 15
which is why i said i dont care what jeep, or Chrysler for that matter says about shackle bolts. i know what the manual says and its just too much.
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1994 yj stretched, locked and loaded - 6.0l vortec lq4, 4l60e, np231, Dana 44s 37" interco trxus m/t, 3.5" bds front leafs, double triangulated 4 link rear on xj front coils.
1997 ZJ limited - BONE stock
2003 tj - 4in skyjacker, 33" mickey thompsons
my on board alternator/welder write up
[url]http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f12/alternator-welder-write-up-1301614/[/url]
my tj 1/2 doors on a yj write up
[url]http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f12/tj-uppers-yj-half-doors-hard-top-installation-1417686/[/url]
RC vs BDS
[url]http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f12/rough-country-vs-bds-1461555/[/url]
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Unread 05-07-2013, 03:31 PM   #39
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the solid end on the frame gets tightened that much btw. shackles should be less
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1994 yj stretched, locked and loaded - 6.0l vortec lq4, 4l60e, np231, Dana 44s 37" interco trxus m/t, 3.5" bds front leafs, double triangulated 4 link rear on xj front coils.
1997 ZJ limited - BONE stock
2003 tj - 4in skyjacker, 33" mickey thompsons
my on board alternator/welder write up
[url]http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f12/alternator-welder-write-up-1301614/[/url]
my tj 1/2 doors on a yj write up
[url]http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f12/tj-uppers-yj-half-doors-hard-top-installation-1417686/[/url]
RC vs BDS
[url]http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f12/rough-country-vs-bds-1461555/[/url]
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Unread 05-07-2013, 03:45 PM   #40
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the solid end on the frame gets tightened that much btw. shackles should be less
I'm certainly not going to question your knowledge, I love your Jeep and you did a crazy awesome build.
I started with my shackles at 55 lbs, then cranked them up to the Jeep spec and noticed no difference in ride.
I have personally seen the bolts wear when people leave them too loose where the bolt is allowed to rotate. And it didn't take long, maybe a couple of months.
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Unread 05-07-2013, 03:58 PM   #41
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I'm certainly not going to question your knowledge, I love your Jeep and you did a crazy awesome build.
I started with my shackles at 55 lbs, then cranked them up to the Jeep spec and noticed no difference in ride.
I have personally seen the bolts wear when people leave them too loose where the bolt is allowed to rotate. And it didn't take long, maybe a couple of months.
i sat here thinking about it, as long as the sleeve in the bushing is the correct length, you are correct, the bolts can be as tight as you want without effecting ride quality. all it does is squeezes the shackle on that sleeve which rotates within the bushing.

my issue with RC bushings is that the metal sleeve is too short so when you tighten them all the way they clamp the bushing really tight, thus leaving you with a tight preloaded bushing.
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1994 yj stretched, locked and loaded - 6.0l vortec lq4, 4l60e, np231, Dana 44s 37" interco trxus m/t, 3.5" bds front leafs, double triangulated 4 link rear on xj front coils.
1997 ZJ limited - BONE stock
2003 tj - 4in skyjacker, 33" mickey thompsons
my on board alternator/welder write up
[url]http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f12/alternator-welder-write-up-1301614/[/url]
my tj 1/2 doors on a yj write up
[url]http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f12/tj-uppers-yj-half-doors-hard-top-installation-1417686/[/url]
RC vs BDS
[url]http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f12/rough-country-vs-bds-1461555/[/url]
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Unread 05-07-2013, 04:14 PM   #42
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Unread 05-07-2013, 04:53 PM   #43
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my issue with RC bushings is that the metal sleeve is too short so when you tighten them all the way they clamp the bushing really tight, thus leaving you with a tight preloaded bushing.
I noticed the same thing. But if I remember correctly that's how it's been on all the springs I've had on my Jeep (rough country, ome and stock).

Having the sleeve longer than the bushing makes sense, but is there any company that actually makes them that way? Or are we forced to cut our own metal sleeve?
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Unread 05-07-2013, 04:57 PM   #44
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^ I need to correct myself. I have crabtree shackles and the metal sleeve in the center is longer than the bushings, but it's so wide and the shackles are so thick, I can't install the middle bolt without hitting the steering box.
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Unread 05-07-2013, 05:32 PM   #45
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^ I need to correct myself. I have crabtree shackles and the metal sleeve in the center is longer than the bushings, but it's so wide and the shackles are so thick, I can't install the middle bolt without hitting the steering box.
I had to cut my own as the sleeves that came with the kit were too short. Then the sleeves I had laying around were too long.
It's ridiculous that companies design these kits without taking the time to engineer the proper length sleeves.
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