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Unread 12-22-2007, 03:26 PM   #1
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hey all .. im trying to figure out what kinda seats and harnesses i want to put in my YJ ... i live in PA and want the thing to be daily driver capable so inspected and insured and everything ... how do i find out whats legal as far as harnesses and 3,4,5 point harnesses ... im most likely looking at a 3 or 4 point. but i beleive something said it needs to be retractable ... would the corbeau 3 point retractable harness be legal? any help is much appreciated as always

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Unread 12-22-2007, 03:29 PM   #2
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Look at it this way, if you had originally a 3 point restraint, you must have a 3 point restraint or better, you can't go from lap/shoulder to just lap, however you can go from lap/shoulder to a full harness, why ??? Because you are allowed to improve the safety, you just cannot remove the safety.
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Unread 12-22-2007, 03:32 PM   #3
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ur very right ... i was just wondering cuz there are lots of stupid rules out there and i dont know if things like this need to be DOT approved and what not...
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Unread 12-22-2007, 03:38 PM   #4
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Well of course any restraint system you use will need to be DOT approved, you can't even change a marker light lens to anything other than DOT approved.
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Unread 12-22-2007, 03:57 PM   #5
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im looking on every website but none say DOT approved - how do i find out what is and is not ... ideally i want the 3 point retractable corbeau harness
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Unread 12-22-2007, 03:57 PM   #6
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DOT approved and "Street Legal" are two different things. But to the question at hand, stop by a local Highway Patrol office and ask them, they should be able to point you in the right direction.

Also, some guys run their stock seat belts for the road and then have a harness for the trail. Just something to think about.
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Unread 12-22-2007, 04:01 PM   #7
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Check with the vendors of the products you are concidering. Here, the belts and seats are "supposed" to be DOT compliant to pass inspection.
Don't cheap out,(half a-- install) if going with the competition type seats and belts route. You won't be happy with the results. There are a lot of posts here on setups that are less than satisfactory. *Use the search feature.*
I made custom seat brackets for mine to get them to fit just right. The stock brackets where too narrow, plus put the seats too high into the steering wheel with the high side bolsters.
They are Tuner FX seats that I got from a place going out of business. The belts are Corbeau three points. Do lots of homework before you buy! You'll be happier in the end. Oh, and try out the seats before you buy if you can. The seat you like the looks of, may not fit you or feel as good as it looks.
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Unread 12-22-2007, 06:06 PM   #8
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install whatever harness you like and just keep the stock seat belts in. they shouldn't conflict with the install anyway. but to use a 3, 4, or 5 point harness properly will defanitly limit your movement in the jeep. if properly used, you shouldn't be able to lean forward which will make you loosen them some. basically making them useless. If you want them just for off-roading, like i said in the beginning, just keep your stock seat belts for daily driving. that way you don't have to worry about passing inspection. and to be able to properly mount them, (you probably already know this, but just in case) you will need to have some DOM tube about 1.5feet below your neck behind the set to attach the shoulder straps and most usually like to mount the lap belts to the cage roll bars that go past the seats (on custom cages).
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Unread 12-22-2007, 06:11 PM   #9
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i have a stock standard cage - not the family style- and if i go the harness route i was gonna purchase the bolt in harness bar from 4wd.com to mount the shoulder straps and i was assuming i would mount the lap straps to where the stock ones used to be ... bad plan? not too bad of a plan but could be better?
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Unread 12-22-2007, 06:43 PM   #10
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If you have inspection they wont pass you with 4 or 5 pt. harnesses only.
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Unread 12-22-2007, 07:37 PM   #11
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If you have inspection they wont pass you with 4 or 5 pt. harnesses only.
What he said. In my state they wont pass you if you don't have the stock or at least a stock seatbelt in. I think however you can get away with it if the seatbelt is just in there, like attach it when you go to get inspected. If any of that actually makes any sence.
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Unread 12-22-2007, 07:47 PM   #12
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I know a guy here in PA that runs Corbeau racing seats with the 3 point harnesses. I don't think he has the stock seatbelt in, but I never really checked. And he's been running this setup for a while, so he must have passed inspection at some point.
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i i was gonna purchase the bolt in harness bar from 4wd.com to mount the shoulder straps and i was assuming i would mount the lap straps to where the stock ones used to be ... bad plan? not too bad of a plan but could be better?

It doesn't matter what the cage, or any kind of bars for mounting. Its all in the seats.

If you mount a bar below your shoulders, your seats will have to have harness "holes" in them. If you do not do this, you risk breaking your back in a rollover.



As for your original question. I had RJS four point harnesses in my YJ here in Pa. I never had any trouble with getting my jeep inspected.

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Unread 12-22-2007, 09:37 PM   #14
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TX only requires front seat belts.Doesn't matter what kind as long as its a working and adjustable seat belt.But now the seat is optional and not required for inspection
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Unread 12-22-2007, 10:05 PM   #15
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Wow... lots of good info and lots of bad info.

a) Harnesses can be purchased that have retractors built into them for daily use and for serious riding. Both Corbeau and Schroth make 3 and 4 point systems that work as retractables for the shoulders when used for the street and "lock" for use off-road. Both are excellent products and pass any states requirements for safety equipment.

b) DOT certification is NOT a requirement for any equipment that is sold aftermarket. DOT certification only applies to OEM as this is a Fed requirement for safety certification on the OE manufacturing level.

c) Proper harness mount placement is not specific to a measurement, rather it needs to be mounted in a way that in a high speed crash, the shoulder straps do not lock down to compress your spine. The standard way to avoid this is to place the rear harness attachement points so that the pressure on the "down pull" of the straps does not directly occur at the shoulders but rather at an angle not to exceed 15 degrees from parallel to the shoulders. Thus you could mount a "strap support behind your shoulders so that the straps pass over them and then turn down and attach to the floor of the heep. You need to make sure the strap bar is VERY sturdy if you do it this way. Another method is to do what I did and run the straps to the rear of the rig and attach them there.

d) If you want to read up on the OEM requirements for seat belts, you can read it all here: NHTSA Seat Belt Requirements
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