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Unread 11-04-2013, 11:30 AM   #1
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sputter at 10 min like clock work

thanks in advance for reading.

I have a 95 Yj 4.0 automatic that just turned 201k. it wouldn't start last week, needed a new fuel pump because it would not even prime so i cut a trap door to get to the tank so i didn't have to drop it. i replaced it and it still wouldn't start but i could hear the pump priming now so i checked for codes and nothing just a 12 and 55, so i did some research and found out that i had a bad crankshaft position sensor. replaced and it starts right up, YIPPIE! after letting it idle in my driveway for 10 minutes it idles like crap. then after about a minute of idling like crap it goes away and it idles great without any sign of sputtering or loss of power.

before i did the fuel pump i replaced plugs, wires, and distributer cap because winter is coming.

now every time i start my jeep i have to let it idle in the driveway for 10 minutes so i do not have the sputtering issue on the road and have a loss of power, but like i said it goes away and drives great after the initial 10 minutes. so yesterday i took off the throttle body and cleaned it. while i had it off i read somewhere on this forum that it may be a bad/dirty IAC so i just bought a new one since she just turned 201k. i also read somewhere on this forum that it may be a bad TPS sensor so i just bought a new one and put that one on. i kept the battery disconnected for about 10minutes then started it up hoping that the sensors were my problem. sure enough 10 minutes later it sputters and has a loss of power...grrr. i check the codes again and it says that TPS is too high or too low. did i really just put in a new part and get a code that says the new part is defective? so i disconnect the battery again, clean the old TPS and put it back in. now i checked the codes again and it is the same code coming back...TPS is too high or too low.

so all in all i have a new code saying a new part and the old part are defective, and still have a sputtering issue pretty much exactly at 10 minutes from a cold start up. i do not have the sputtering problem the rest of the day just in the morning when it starts cold. i am assuming this problem will continue to get worse the colder it gets...suburbs of Chicago get freezing in the next couple of months.

so all i can think of is a bad O2 sensor but wouldn't that come up when i check the codes? the reason for the thought of the O2 sensor is due to maybe a closed/open loop problem. I have not checked the fuel pressure in the line but i dont think it is that because it has gas getting to the fuel injectors when it starts up and after the sputtering.

any tips/ideas would be greatly appreciated.
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Unread 11-06-2013, 09:40 PM   #2
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After replacing the sensors mentioned, you should have taken the + battery cable off of your battery and grounded the end of it out for 30 seconds or so. That dumps the learned memory in your ECU. Hook the + battery cable back up, fire it up and take it for a ride when the engine is cold.

DO NOT sit there at idle. The ECU needs to relearn and only does that when you go from cold to hot engine driving.
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Unread 11-07-2013, 11:39 AM   #3
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Warm up idle issue = bad temp sensor near the tstat housing(it has another one for the guage) and clean the throttlebody and remove the IAC from it and clean it.
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Unread 11-07-2013, 02:07 PM   #4
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definitely a temperature related sensor issue. Depending on how stock your engine is it could be coolant temp, Incoming air, EGR, or cold start enrichment(choke). If you can get a decent ODBII reader you should be able to track what sensors you have and what is actually happening before during and after the stumble. That will tell you the problem.
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Unread 11-07-2013, 04:26 PM   #5
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thanks for the replies fellas! i took off the negative terminal for about 5 minutes before i reattached it. ill try with the positive terminal tonight.

i took off the throttle body and cleaned it when i replaced the IAC and the TPS.

my engine is stock, besides the radiator and hoses.

where can i get an ODBII reader?

so its not an O2 sensor? in all my research on here i found nothing stating my symptoms as a bad temperature sensor. do i need to drain any coolant before i change that sensor on the T-stat housing?
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Unread 11-07-2013, 06:28 PM   #6
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It's high on the engine so loss will be minimal. Did you clean the hole the iac slides into?
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Unread 11-07-2013, 06:37 PM   #7
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When i replaced my tps i had to return it five times before i got a good one and i have heard of others having to do this to that could b a good starting point
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Unread 11-08-2013, 06:20 AM   #8
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Most good auto parts stores have loaner readers but you can get ones that read '95 codes for 30 bucks on ebay. I paid $100 for a newer one that reads some ABS and trans codes.
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Unread 11-08-2013, 10:51 AM   #9
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how about the bluetooth ODBII readers from amazon? Id love to download an app and have my codes show up on my phone. anyone have any good experiences with them?

yes i cleaned the hole that the IAC goes into before i placed the new one in.

i also put shell v-power in my tank in hopes of cleaning it out and it seems that the sputtering is less frequent but it is still there. maybe bad gas as well? idk just trying to think of everything...
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Unread 11-08-2013, 12:14 PM   #10
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The BT ones should work fine and "MIGHT" be better. It all depends on what the circuitry is on the transmitter. It would be nice to be able to link to the web direct from a code to decipher it.
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Unread 11-08-2013, 02:07 PM   #11
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Yj is obd 1! Temp sensor.
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Unread 11-11-2013, 12:55 AM   #12
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i changed the temp sensor and it still sputters at 10 min, but less than what it has done the past week.

I also checked codes and just a 12 and 55 so the TPS problem is fixed with taking the positive terminal off the battery. any other guesses for a muddy idle besides the O2 sensors?

should i really get a ODB 1 reader when all it does is do the flash engine light thing i can do when i turn the key on, then off, then on, then off, then on?
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Unread 11-11-2013, 09:50 AM   #13
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The reader will tell you more and more clearly what is going on. But you don't have to buy one, try the auto parts store loaner first. They usually have one of the top middle quality ones.
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Unread 11-11-2013, 10:29 AM   #14
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You replaced the temp sensor near the tstat on not the one on the rear? Just making sure. The only other thing that makes any sense in the air temp sensor.
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Unread 11-11-2013, 10:29 AM   #15
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Did you recheck your fuel pressure after you replace the fuel pump?
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