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Unread 04-02-2013, 08:21 PM   #1
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Spring sag question

Hi guys. Quick rundown: I have stock springs on my 94 Yj, so needless to say, they're FLAT. On top of that, I have 1.25" lift shackles because I like the stance, plus the grease-able bolts. My question is: If I were to get new springs, stock height, (with my lift shackles) how long would it be before they are in the same sagged shape. Also, would I just be game ahead to get a 2.5" lift and go back to stock shackles. Any help is appreciated.

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Unread 04-02-2013, 08:31 PM   #2
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Just get add a leafs and take your springs to a spring shop. Tell them how you want them to ride, and if it is a good spring shop that is how they will be. They can also adjust them so you only get the amount of lift you want within reason. Should cost you about $150-$200 plus the leafs. In my experience it is the best way to get the ride quality you want. If you get stock springs they will wear out fast (since I assume you would get used), and if you get cheap lift springs they will ride like crap.
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Unread 04-02-2013, 09:49 PM   #3
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Just get add a leafs and take your springs to a spring shop. Tell them how you want them to ride, and if it is a good spring shop that is how they will be. They can also adjust them so you only get the amount of lift you want within reason. Should cost you about $150-$200 plus the leafs. In my experience it is the best way to get the ride quality you want. If you get stock springs they will wear out fast (since I assume you would get used), and if you get cheap lift springs they will ride like crap.
I actually had not even considered used springs. I was just looking at brand new ones, stock lift. Also, I don't know of any shops like that around me that I would want to work on it anyway, a FEW might be able to figure it out. Heres the predicament- I don't really want to spend the money on a nice lift such as a rubicon express or OME, because I've decided that I've reached, or passed, the point of where I have spent too much on my Jeep for there to be any future profit margin, so that is the basis of all of my thinking.
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Unread 04-02-2013, 10:13 PM   #4
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If I were to get new springs, stock height, (with my lift shackles) how long would it be before they are in the same sagged shape.
That's an unpredictable question, unless I used my crystal ball.

If you got a set of new ones from a crappy company - you take your chances and time would be short.

Use a top quality company like Alcan, or National Spring, it would more than likely be years & years, possibly decades.
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Unread 04-02-2013, 10:30 PM   #5
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That's an unpredictable question, unless I used my crystal ball.

If you got a set of new ones from a crappy company - you take your chances and time would be short.

Use a top quality company like Alcan, or National Spring, it would more than likely be years & years, possibly decades.
That's kind of what I was thinking. I mean, adding the lift shackles flattened out the current ones pretty quickly, but they are ragged out 19 year old springs.
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Unread 04-03-2013, 09:24 PM   #6
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I actually had not even considered used springs. I was just looking at brand new ones, stock lift. Also, I don't know of any shops like that around me that I would want to work on it anyway, a FEW might be able to figure it out. Heres the predicament- I don't really want to spend the money on a nice lift such as a rubicon express or OME, because I've decided that I've reached, or passed, the point of where I have spent too much on my Jeep for there to be any future profit margin, so that is the basis of all of my thinking.
Spring shops are around if you look for them, just like drive line shops. As far as the work, you pull them yourself and just bring them the springs. Without a doubt it is the most bang for your buck. That is the only thing spring shops do usually.

I learned quite a bit about this subject when I destroyed my front passenger spring on a pipe sticking up out of the ground. At least I thought I destroyed it. Can't even tell it happened now.
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Unread 04-03-2013, 09:27 PM   #7
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Spring shops are around if you look for them, just like drive line shops. As far as the work, you pull them yourself and just bring them the springs. Without a doubt it is the most bang for your buck. That is the only thing spring shops do usually.

I learned quite a bit about this subject when I destroyed my front passenger spring on a pipe sticking up out of the ground. At least I thought I destroyed it. Can't even tell it happened now.
I'll do some checking around, thanks.
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Unread 04-03-2013, 09:58 PM   #8
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Ya your best bet would be to thumb around on the web and see what people are taking outta junkyards and adding to the stock pack. You could pick the parts and put the pack back together yourself for a pretty low cost, if that's what your aiming for. Worst case you get some leafs that lift it a little then ditch the shackles to keep your stance.
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Unread 04-04-2013, 06:11 AM   #9
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The longest they will last is 19 years. Your best bet would be to ditch them and get some 2" lift springs and stock shackles and be done with it.
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