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killakeane 06-22-2013 07:15 PM

Spongy brakes/no brakes
Hey, i replaced my brake hose today, and bled the brakes numerous times on each side as well as gravity bled them. The brakes feel really strong when the jeep is turned off but as soon as it starts running the brakes go basically dead and too the floor. i can't figure out what's doing it considering the amount of times i bled them. any input?

TSEJEEPERS 06-22-2013 07:29 PM

Any leaks when you pump the brakes?

killakeane 06-22-2013 07:33 PM

None, at least none visible. I had a leaky hose that's why I replaced that. The master was fine prior to my hose leak so I don't believe it's the master either.

killakeane 06-23-2013 12:19 PM

Anyone know what's wrong with it?

PA_YJ19 06-23-2013 12:24 PM

Sounds like a bad booster if ur pedal is dropping to the floor. There's probably a leak in it sumwhere... It holds air so u won't physically see it, have sumone push the pedal down and put ur head by the booster. If u hear ne whistle type noise or air escaping newhere then it's not doing its job. When u press the pedal down u should feel the pressure build up not release, as it sounds like its doing in ur case.

killakeane 06-23-2013 12:42 PM

i don't think its a leak, wouldn't i be loosing fluid from the mc?

pasinbuy 06-23-2013 12:51 PM

What all did you do to your brakes other than the hose?:

jhrebs 06-23-2013 01:10 PM

There is a rare chance that the MC could have gone. Yes it did work before you did your line, but maybe a new line, bleeding alot......YJ's are old and temperamental. I would guess booster or MC, only by process of elimination

PA_YJ19 06-23-2013 01:10 PM


Originally Posted by killakeane
i don't think its a leak, wouldn't i be loosing fluid from the mc?

Not if it's the booster, the booster just holds air. Ur master holds the fluid.

killakeane 06-23-2013 05:28 PM

was talking to my uncle who used to work on cars a lot, he said it's not the booster if it were the booster it would be hard at all times both running and while off, i also talked to my fiances father, who has ground up a few jeeps hot rods etc and he thinks it might be the shoes in the back, ill try rebleeding as well as adjusting the rear shoes with the spoon? i believe thats what it's called - not sure - this will be my first time doing it. i'll let ya'll know what the outcome is when i figure it out, and if i don't well i'll be referring to the forum for more details. thanks for the input so far gents.:cheers:

laybackman 06-23-2013 05:37 PM

If the master cylinder 'sucked air' it now has to be bench bled or you will never get brakes to bleed.

TSEJEEPERS 06-23-2013 05:40 PM

Not harping on the leak thing but, clean off the area where you put the new hoses on. Where the hose connects to the hard line and the caliper.
Have someone pump the brakes up. Pump it 3 times then hold. If there is any evidence of brake fluid there is a leak.

Dewster196 06-25-2013 04:13 AM

Which way did you bleed the brakes, you are supposed to start at the bleeder furthest from the master and work to the closest. Just a thought.

jay-h 06-25-2013 07:59 AM

It's normal, if you have bled off the vacuum of the booster, for the pedal to lower when the engine starts. This is the result of the booster becoming active. Obviously shouldn't go all the way to the floor however, but the usual failure mode of boosters is vacuum leak which would manifest itself in a higher (unboosted) pedal position.

Edited to add: What you are feeling when the vacuum is bled off is the ACTUAL pedal and free play. If that is solid, you do not have a bleeding issue. Once vacuum is applied the servo mechanism allows some degree of travel and converts that travel to valve boost against the master cylinder. The normal mode of failure for boosters is vacuum leak, but if you can shut off your engine and go back 20 minutes later and still have vacuum boost, you don't have much leak.

Mine has a significantly different position from vacuum to no vacuum, actually more that I'd like, but it has always been that way. I don't know if wear on the servo can cause excessively low travel, or that's just the way it is designed... I've never heard a discussion of servo wear other than vacuum leaks.

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