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View Poll Results: Did Your Rubicon Express Springs Sag?
Yes. 19 38.78%
No. 30 61.22%
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Unread 11-09-2006, 09:10 AM   #31
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Makes me glad I picked up some 5" BDS springs...

Got them used (only 3 months) for $300. Came with bushings as well.

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Unread 11-10-2006, 11:11 AM   #32
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After installing my RE XD, I had 5.5" inches... now, a little more than a year later.. I'm about 4.75" Did they sag? Yes. Not to the point where they are below the advertised height. Ride is smoother now than when installed.
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Unread 11-10-2006, 12:25 PM   #33
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where can you buy bds springs?
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Unread 11-10-2006, 12:43 PM   #34
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For the BDS springs go to bds-suspensions.com
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Unread 11-10-2006, 01:37 PM   #35
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Man! I hate being in the minority! Especially after having to swallow the Democratic horse pill we were handed on Tuesday (God help us). Anyways, I'm going to stand up for my RE 4" STD. Got over 4.5" of lift and I'm still sitting right at 4.5" a year later. No problems here. I guess I fall into the 1 out of 7.
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Unread 11-10-2006, 02:12 PM   #36
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Does anyone warranty thier springs when they start to sag?
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Unread 11-10-2006, 02:27 PM   #37
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Does anyone warranty thier springs when they start to sag?

how can you justify sagging when you are still over the advertised lift?

i mean it seems everyone is getting 1-2" more than advertised with BDS and RE ..it probally settled more in the rear than the front becasue they use the same kits for the 4 and 6 and the 4 takes more time to settle
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Unread 11-10-2006, 02:43 PM   #38
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i have had the RE 4.5 XD for a year and have wheeled it hard, including the badlands in Attica(way cool). i do not notice any sag at all and i love how it works on the trail. one more for RE
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Unread 11-10-2006, 02:43 PM   #39
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This is off rustysoffroad.com about their springs:

I've heard your springs sag, is this true?
Over 2 years ago the 4.5" and the 6.5" leaf packs had 5 leafs , plus I was using the same spring rate as the 3.5", They rode very good and flexed great. The problem arose when someone would add a bumper and tire carrier, roof rack, tool boxes and spare parts. They would add more parts than a 1/2 ton truck would hold up. The XJ is rated for less than a 1/4 ton, but they would put this gear and the springs would drop in height. Springs are rated by pounds needed to compress the spring. Our spring at that time where about 150 pounds , so for every 200 to 250 pounds in would come down an inch. Nothing wrong with that unless you are carring a big load, most of the customers loved them for the ride and flex and that is how I designed them.

Now Oct. of '02 we changed to a 6 leaf spring and have put the spring rate to just uder 200 lbs. Still the softest in the industry but will hold up the weight of tire carriers and gear. In the year of '04 I have not had to warranty a single leaf spring or coils spring.

As for comparion, our springs are manufactured by the same company that makes Rancho , Fabtech, Rubicon Express, Rubicon was having problems with their coil company and asked who we where using and are now using them.

The spring that we offer now is the best of both worlds. Some people that dont carry a load and want the softer ride will even pull the bottom 6th leaf out because they dont need the load capasity. The springs as well as all of Rusty's Off Road products carry a full Limited Lifetime warranty, which means that with a leaf spring; if it droops or breaks we replace, as long as it hasn't been in an accident or such.
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Unread 11-10-2006, 03:09 PM   #40
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how can you justify sagging when you are still over the advertised lift?
The problem arises when the springs don't sag evenly. Some guys have their right side settle so the Jeep is crooked. In my case my rear end is about 1 inch lower than the front. It looks stupid.

And for all you guys saying that RE is great, check out the poll. One out of three RE customers has experienced sagging. My guess is that the sagging is not evenly spaced amoung the four springs.
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Unread 11-10-2006, 05:44 PM   #41
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The poll is misleading, my springs did sag. So I should have put yes... but they sagged evenly and I'm still above advertised height. Some may have put "YES", but perhaps should have said no.

The poll should have been whether or not they sagged evenly and stayed above advertised height.
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Unread 11-10-2006, 05:50 PM   #42
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"The problem arises when the springs don't sag evenly. Some guys have their right side settle so the Jeep is crooked. In my case my rear end is about 1 inch lower than the front."


Is there any chance part of your height loss was caused by the spring perchs? The first set I bought was dropping my rear lower but I noticed it before they were welded and was able to trim them down some.
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Unread 11-10-2006, 05:52 PM   #43
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"The problem arises when the springs don't sag evenly. Some guys have their right side settle so the Jeep is crooked. In my case my rear end is about 1 inch lower than the front."


Is there any chance part of your height loss was caused by the spring perchs? The first set I bought was dropping my rear lower but I noticed it before they were welded and was able to trim them down some.
No. It started out great and then about 3 months later is looks low in the rear.

Maybe we should start a new poll to see if they sagged evenly.
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Unread 11-10-2006, 05:55 PM   #44
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Does anyone warranty thier springs when they start to sag?
BDS does....want verification...call http://www.applehill4x4.com/

...they are a BDS dealer.
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Unread 11-10-2006, 06:00 PM   #45
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Sag was one of the things I was worried about also but so far so good. I'm running a 5.0 with a t18 tranny so I was afraid it might cause the front to sag. I've only had it running a few weeks but I did have it all bolted together with the weight on the springs fo about a year, it was a long project.
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