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Unread 05-08-2014, 10:43 PM   #1
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slave took a dump...

Ok so my slave went out on my 93 yj yesterday (internal slave) came across a 95 yj ax5(external slave) for a decent price but don't know the mileage yet. And before you say do a ax15 swap.. I don't have the extra $$ for that. Since its not much more than buying an internal slave, should I just do the swap since I have to take out the tranny anyways?!?! I'm guessing YES but I guess I would need to know other than the master cylinder is there anything else I need to have to do the switch?!?! Thanks!

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Unread 05-08-2014, 10:54 PM   #2
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Short answer is yes, you should do the swap.

Use new clutch hydraulics. Master/hose/slave. Not much sense in going with used but if money is an issue then do what you can. YOu need the bellhousing, clutch fork and the little retaining spring, and the input bearing retainer. You should get a new clutch kit, order one for the 95. It will include the pilot bearing, throwout bearing, pressure plate and the clutch plate. Should be all you need, but you should replace the seal on the "new" input bearing retainer, and you'll need a tube of RTV to seal the new input bearing retainer to the transmission.
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Unread 05-08-2014, 10:57 PM   #3
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ok but will I need anything else other than the master to do it? Thanks for the input btw
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I'm editing.....hang on.

Should all be in the first reply now.

Oh, and no reason to swap out the entire tranny, just keep the 95 tranny as a spare, and swap stuff over to your 93 tranny.
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yes I'm a some guy and have always put gasket sealer on my surfaces before mating
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You should go to Pirate. I hear they are real smart over there. You'd fit right in.
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Unread 05-08-2014, 11:07 PM   #5
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its at a pick and pull where the jeeps frame was rusted through, still need to check the mileage, but I can pull it all at once. so everything will be with it I suppose.


edit: and I've always got RTV laying around lol I do alot of work on cars just newer to jeep trannys.
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Unread 05-08-2014, 11:13 PM   #6
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Get this stuff. This is an AX5. The bell, and everything in it you see, but of course don't reuse "wear parts." Like the Throwout bearing you see in this photo. The little spring clip holding the fork onto the pivot ball on the left side of the photo, you need that too, so get it and don't lose it. You can see the clutch fork, but not the front bearing retainer--well, the base plate so to speak but you can't see the long snout. If you're getting the whole shebang, then take it but you don't need to swap out your trans. It works as well as you know it, and the "new" one you have no idea of how well it would work. Don't want to install it and find it is totally boogered and have to swap your original back in. Just use your trans and keep the 95 trans wrapped up somewhere safe. Also, get the shifter/shift tower when you pull it.





Long snout front bearing retainer will look like this when you pull it off.

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You should go to Pirate. I hear they are real smart over there. You'd fit right in.
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Unread 05-08-2014, 11:22 PM   #7
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It should pull straight down with it , they jack up all of their vehicles so you can pull it out from the bottom, its connected and staying there ha ha. wish there was a way to know if it was a good tranny or not , mine grinds sometimes but that could be from the slave going out too. One minute it would grind next minute be smooth as a babys ***. Any tricks on a smoother pull?
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Unread 05-08-2014, 11:41 PM   #8
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I am pretty sure that this tranny is also cursed with the 2 E12 external Torx bolts at the very top of the bellhousing. They are bit*#ing tight, and are painful to get to. Don't try to use some cheesy 12 point socket on them or you will forever rue the day.......Easiest to reach them and DO THEM FIRST as soon as you get the T case off. It is best to access these thru the tranny tunnel with the shifter boot out from inside the Jeep with two long extensions and likely a wobble joint on the end. Or alternatively, lower down the back of the trans until you can see them and have clearance and you can get them from below. E12 fits on a 3/8 ratchet, but that size ratchet will not give you enough torque to bust them loose generally so either have a 3/8--1/2 converter, or take a 18" pipe to slip over your 3/8 ratchet as a cheater bar. Easier to get to also if you lower the back end of the tranny down which tips the front of the engine up and you can get to the bolts easier. You will likely have the skid plate off, and if you're on a lift, you need somthing to hold the trans up so take a big ratchet strap you can connect to the top of the roll bar and around the tranny back end, or some rope at least. I don't know what they have out there. Pull out the rest of the bolts, and make sure there are none left in coming thru from the front (usually at least 2, one for the hydraulic hose the other for a wire loom on passenger side), but then take the 2 widest apart bolts and twist them in about a full turn each, and when you pull the trans back, they will act as Stops so it doesn't fly off in your face and drop on you. You can push trans back a bit, remove those, and then under control lower it to the ground. Not too heavy, about 90lbs.

Shifting condition you describe does sound like a clutch hydraulic issue.....
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You should go to Pirate. I hear they are real smart over there. You'd fit right in.
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Unread 05-08-2014, 11:52 PM   #9
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yeah I'm sure I'll go through hell just getting the skid plate off since I'm in Ohio uggg I hate this state and I've been here for 38 years. keeping my fingers crossed X. But I'm a smaller guy and my hands can get into places most can't! ( bonus ). I've pulled I don't know how many 350 turbo's but this being a 5 speed is a little different obviously... I appreciate the help man!!
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If the skid bolts don't come loose, just hope that the heads wring off rather than the captured nuts spin loose inside the frame. If you're lucky the yard may have a flame wrench they won't mind using to torch off the bolts. Of course you have to remove the tranny mount nuts coming thru the skid, and the torque arm nut on the driver's side. You will need to have something to drain the fluids into for the trans and the t case unless you want to wear it. 30MM socket for the T case drain/fill plugs, 15/16" for the Tranny drain plug. Best to drain before you yank.

How much for that transmission at the U pull it yard??
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it said on their list $100 plus like 30 for a core.. so $130
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They're giving it away. Take it, but use your orig tranny, and store the 95 tranny for later. Just take the parts from the 95 to convert your 93 and keep your 93 tranny employed. The 95 gets shrink wrapped and is put in strategic reserve. $130!!!!! I can't buy an ext slave version front bearing retainer for that. It can't be all that bad to live in Ohio......
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I am getting ready to do the same conversion, I got this stuff on Saturday for $80.00.
The slave and master cyl seem to be good, How can I tell for sure. Also when I order the new throw out bearing, What year do I ask for? My jeep is a 90, the bell housing is from a 95 and the brg retainer ? the guy took it off of a AX5 while I waited.

A few years back I had a new clutch installed, Would it need to be replaced since my internal set up leaked fluid?

I haven't put 25000 miles on it since it was installed.
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I am getting ready to do the same conversion, I got this stuff on Saturday for $80.00.
The slave and master cyl seem to be good, How can I tell for sure. Also when I order the new throw out bearing, What year do I ask for? My jeep is a 90, the bell housing is from a 95 and the brg retainer ? the guy took it off of a AX5 while I waited.

A few years back I had a new clutch installed, Would it need to be replaced since my internal set up leaked fluid?

I haven't put 25000 miles on it since it was installed.
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It's okay to start your own thread, no penalties there. My personal opinion/what I'd do? I'd put in a new clutch kit, no question. I'd also put in a new clutch master/hose/slave unit and not use old stuff. You always take a risk with old "wear" parts, but with ext slave, it's not that tough to pull that and install new. You will tell the parts counter man you want parts for a 94 YJ, or if you want, 95. You will get the right TO bearing. Also will get right clutch kit as well.
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Unread 05-14-2014, 01:17 PM   #15
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Ok , I went a different route. I picked up the bell housing and slave (external) for $50. So I need the fork for sure , do I still need to get a new long snout bearing retainer?
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