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Unread 01-09-2013, 10:22 PM   #1
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Rough Country vs BDS

So, I've been running RC springs and shocks for awhile, since i got my rig, and finally called it quits on them after breaking my 4th or 5th spring, honestly i cant remember anymore, and imploding all of my shocks.

they are thin soft springs that somehow sill manage to ride poorly and even in spring under form they fail to minimize wheel hop.

before you hassle me about my poor wheeling know this, just because you can build it doesn't mean you can drive it lol, but still the second a tire starts to spin shouldn't mean instant wheel hop.

also i understand that my setup is not the standard but i can assure you i wasn't using any more power offroad in any of this than a 4 cyl could put out, i'm very light on the go pedal, for a good reason.

ex 1


ex 2

at 1:00 you can actually see my axle walking under the jeep

ex 3

wait for me to go back up the hill. i actually had to stop mid climb before i could continue due to the insane wheel hop.


and heres a few pictures of my bent springs

this broke driving over a curb infront of my driveway...


Theres another one that I don't actually have a picture of but the bottom leaf on the pack actually just broke in half as i was removing the pack

and here's a quick height comparison. i haven't measured yet but there's about a 3" difference in height there

4"rc springs

3.5" BDS


another + to the BDS springs is that they are a full military wrapped spring, so if you do manage to bend a spring you can still limp around on it, and two they use 6 leafs instead of 4, meaning each leaf can be softer, thus giving you a softer ride.

I gave my girlfriend a ride in my jeep after swapping out the springs without telling her i changed anything and she noticed a dramatic ride difference. Even with fully broken in RC springs the BDS springs still rode better on the same shocks.

quick shot of the bds springs


Unfortunately I haven't had a chance to have them offroad yet but I have flexed them out and i'm very impressed for a non broken in spring they flex great. Even for a broken in spring they were extremely good. My RC springs always turned into a strange inverted 'S' shape whenever compressed, and these kept a nice figure all the way through their motion.

Lastly, something I found to be extremely funny is that if you would like to piece together your own lift kit, the RC springs are $124 each and the BDS are $112. funny how that works

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Unread 01-09-2013, 10:27 PM   #2
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Thank you for the insight. I'm sure this will blow the "I'm on a budget so I'm buying rough country" crowd out of the water!!
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Unread 01-09-2013, 10:31 PM   #3
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Thank you for the insight. I'm sure this will blow the "I'm on a budget so I'm buying rough country" crowd out of the water!!
Hopefully. The springs are cheaper and the rc shocks aren't even worth the money I got from scrapping them
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1997 ZJ limited - BONE stock
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my on board alternator/welder write up
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my tj 1/2 doors on a yj write up
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RC vs BDS
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Unread 01-10-2013, 05:21 AM   #4
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Makes me feel even better about not getting the RC lift!
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Unread 01-10-2013, 05:42 AM   #5
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Air down and you will get better traction.
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Unread 01-10-2013, 06:03 AM   #6
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Air down and you will get better traction.
that was around 10-12 psi, my tires are load range E so they dont flex much. i didnt feel much like loosing a bead
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1997 ZJ limited - BONE stock
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RC vs BDS
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Unread 01-10-2013, 06:46 AM   #7
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Nice demo. I too just bought replacement springs to get rid of the rc leaf springs I have under my yj.
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Unread 06-03-2013, 12:43 PM   #8
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I know this is an old post but i just bent my front passenger rc spring (just like in ur pic) and im going BDS too.
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[QUOTE=Anticanman;14148985]If they're gonna bend you over for that much, I'd definitely pay extra for the lube!![/QUOTE]

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Unread 06-03-2013, 01:25 PM   #9
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BDS creaking

My BDS springs are 6 mohts old and now creak like crazy. I believe this is due to the 'military wrap'. With a military wrap the two lower springs are together w/o any insulation. I have greaseable shackles so these are not the issue..
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Unread 06-03-2013, 01:28 PM   #10
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My BDS springs are 6 mohts old and now creak like crazy. I believe this is due to the 'military wrap'. With a military wrap the two lower springs are together w/o any insulation. I have greaseable shackles so these are not the issue..
I dont care much about things creaking as long as they perform properly. Im not about to spend $$ on bent springs every 6 months. My rig is mostly for wheeling.
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Unread 06-03-2013, 02:07 PM   #11
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BDS is lifetime warranty.
Can't beat that!!!
Bend a spring- get a new one.
In fact, if your rig sags...new springs.(It DOES need to sag a fair bit, though)


THe creaking- There is a teflon(?) pad between each leaf, or at least there is supposed to be.
Spray them with WD-40 at least.
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Unread 06-03-2013, 02:18 PM   #12
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THe creaking- There is a teflon(?) pad between each leaf, or at least there is supposed to be.
Spray them with WD-40 at least.
Please don't do this. Please don't "lubricate" with WD-40. It's not a lubricant. If you feel you must lubricate the springs, please use a teflon or silicone spray. WD-40 will only make the creak disappear for a few weeks/months then it will be right back, worse than ever. Teflon and silicone actually lubricant and leave a lubricating film behind. WD does not.


Oh, hey, and OP, as soon as I saw your videos I knew you had to be local. I recognize the areas you were in. Warrenville huh? There's a local group of JK's that welcome anybody in and are a great bunch of guys. They organize regular outings to The Cliffs and The Badlands (more Badlands than Cliffs). The group is the Chicagoland Dirty Deltas. Look 'em up!!!
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Unread 06-03-2013, 02:50 PM   #13
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I use this stuff for squeaky springs.

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Unread 06-04-2013, 04:54 PM   #14
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I actually ended up getting just 2 RE springs for the front to replace my bent RC one(s). The rear will do for now until i link the rear over winter.
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Unread 06-05-2013, 07:18 AM   #15
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bds anyday. ive snapped rough country springs too many times to use them again. after installing bds, ive put these springs threw hell and back and
couldnt be happier.
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