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Bl4cK_kNiF3 10-06-2009 04:58 PM

Removing metal dash support write up
 
I had noticed that my metal dash support, behind the instrument cluster had started to rust. I had bought a replacement on ebay for 60 bucks, so i decided i would take some pics and show how i changed it.

So first off, heres a pic of my original dash, minus the radio. Mine got wet but i managed to catch it before it shorted out.

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t.../IMAGE_041.jpg

Before you start, remove all the bolts holding the windsheild and fold it down.

First thing off is the bezels around the guages. Pretty self explanatory, its just a bunch of phillips screws.

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...l/DSCN1135.jpg

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...l/DSCN1136.jpg

Now where the first difficult part comes in... The glovebox.
You can choose to leave it in for now, as it will come off with the metal support later if you want.

There are more of the phillips screws at the top near the dash pad. Remove those, and the bolts holding the glovebox door on. It will look like this.

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...l/DSCN1137.jpg

But wait, the glovebox wont come off just yet. There are 4 tiny screws put in backwards. They are a major PITA to get out, and i dont think they are entirely neccesary... damn jeep engineers..

Now i found it easier to drop the AC vents now (if you have AC) to get at the screws.

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...l/DSCN1142.jpg

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...l/DSCN1143.jpg

After the AC vents are dropped, you can get a small ratchet underneath the get at the screws. theyre small little buggers

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...l/DSCN1145.jpg

In my case, the glovebox still was stubborn and wouldnt come out because the screws got rounded off, so i decided to continue.

The next step was to start removing the instrument cluster and switches. Also, make sure you label them with masking tape so you know what goes where when replacing the dash.

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...l/DSCN1146.jpg

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...l/DSCN1147.jpg

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...l/DSCN1148.jpg

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...l/DSCN1149.jpg

Then the heat controls needed to be removed. Unplug the wiring harnesses, cables, and vaccuum lines. Again, label all for reassembly.

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...l/DSCN1150.jpg

Talk about bad rust, right? :thumbdown:
Also, ignore the bent metal in between the radio and heat controls. That was how i got the controls out before figuring out how to got off the cables.

Then goes the dash pad, more phillips screws. Again, self explainatory.

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...l/DSCN1151.jpg

Almost there...
The bolts along side the speakers need to be removed. These are the last bolts keeping the dash on.

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...l/DSCN1152.jpg

Now the dash support is loose. Yay!
Oh wait, the rust only gets worse... :eek:
Not to mention the large amount that fell while removing it...

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...l/DSCN1154.jpg

Bl4cK_kNiF3 10-06-2009 04:59 PM

Removing the wheel
 
Well the dash is loose, but stuck on because of the steering wheel! Get a steering wheel remover, which is cheap and easy to use, and pull the wheel!

Pull the horn fuse, so you dont shock yourself or sound the horn while taking the wheel apart.

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...l/DSCN1179.jpg

then grab the horn pad and give it a good tug. Dont pry it because its unneccesary.

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...l/DSCN1180.jpg

Unscrew the 3 screws holding the green ring on, and remove everything that is loose.

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...l/DSCN1182.jpg

Then remove the big nut holding the wheel on with a socket.

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...l/DSCN1185.jpg

Now pull out the steering wheel remover and thread 2 of the matching bolts into the screw holes and get the remover set up like so.

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...l/DSCN1186.jpg

Tighten down the puller with a wrench and the wheel will pull off. Dont pound on it with a hammer or pry it off. Its much better to just buy or rent a puller

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...l/DSCN1187.jpg

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...l/DSCN1188.jpg

And viola! The dash support come off!

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...l/DSCN1189.jpg

But the bad news begins... Turns out the rust from the outside of the jeep goes pretty far in, and rusted alot more of the body then i thought.

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...l/DSCN1191.jpg

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...l/DSCN1192.jpg

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...l/DSCN1195.jpg

Bl4cK_kNiF3 10-06-2009 05:48 PM

Painting the dash peices
 
So it turns out the rust is pretty bad. :thumbdown:
Its a damn shame... My plan of attack for now is to POR15 everything ALOT. I dont have the money to get it fixed properly at the moment so i need to stop the rust.

After i stop the rust im going to reinforce the crumbling rust with angle iron because only the middle is bad. The outside edges have enough support to hold the dash up, but i need to sandwich the rust between the dash support and the angle iron so it will carry the load.

I know its not the right way to do it, but i need to improvise for now. But the bigger problem is finding where the water is coming in to cause the rust. Its coming in the windshield somehow because its rusting in the slots by the wiper.

Once i water proof the jeep, i wont have to worry about the rust until i can get a bodyshop to cut and weld in metal.

Anyways, While i wait for angle iron, I decided the spice colored interior wasnt to my liking. I decided to go with good ole kylon fusion to change my dash.

First thing i wanted to paint was the new dash panel.

big difference, right? :D

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...l/DSCN1197.jpg

I sanded down the little bit of rust that was on the new dash, and hit it with some permatex rust treatment. Then i sprayed it with the satin black kylon.

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...l/DSCN1206.jpg

Then i moved onto the bezels. The kylon fusion didnt like to stick to plastic with armor all on it, so i degreased it all and sanded it a bit to get good adhesion.

The trick to using krylon well is to spray a good 12" away from the plastic and start before it and stop afterwards ( like painting a car) to prevent spraying too much in one spot. Also, do a bunch of light coats because it drys fast and will look better.

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...l/DSCN1205.jpg

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...l/DSCN1207.jpg

Same goes for the dash pad

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...l/DSCN1209.jpg

Bl4cK_kNiF3 10-28-2009 09:10 PM

Continuing on. I have now finished up the job fixin up the rust below the windshield. I didnt get pictures of the angle iron on the inside, but its cut to sandwich up into the cowling. Top the front with some nice aluminum angle and rivet it all together and it gave it a good, sturdy look. :thumbsup: Check it out!

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...l/DSCN1352.jpg

you can kinda see the angle iron behind too

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...l/DSCN1354.jpg

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...l/DSCN1353.jpg

Then i cut the hole for the wiper motor harness.

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...l/DSCN1356.jpg

Started reassembling

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...l/DSCN1355.jpg

Almost done. How do you like the black/olive drab interior??

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...l/DSCN1358.jpg

All done!

One thing though.. I thought i would have to replace the windshield frame, but i kept it and put all the wiper parts back in. How did i go from the wipers facing this way...

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t.../IMAGE_036.jpg

to all of a sudden facing this way....

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...l/DSCN1366.jpg

they move to the left now from where they are so if i move the arms the other way they sweep down onto the windshield.

:confused: anyone have an idea?

thanks guys

green89yj 11-11-2009 08:45 AM

Thats crazy. I took my dash apart and did it tan and olive drab. I had tan everywhere you had black but I did the olive drab inside the gauge bezels and around the radio.

Bl4cK_kNiF3 11-12-2009 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by green89yj (Post 8272234)
Thats crazy. I took my dash apart and did it tan and olive drab. I had tan everywhere you had black but I did the olive drab inside the gauge bezels and around the radio.

thanks. that was some pretty bad rust, right?

and yeah, the 2 tone looks good, and olive drab is always a good accent.
:cheers2:

RebuildRookie 11-12-2009 02:06 PM

I just painted my dash a while back and was thinking mine would be rusted like that, but lucky me little surface rust that was it. wooohooo

Looks good:thumbsup:

Do you remember what size was the nut holding down the steering wheel. I seem to have misplaced mine and need to find another.

Bl4cK_kNiF3 11-12-2009 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RebuildRookie (Post 8280155)
I just painted my dash a while back and was thinking mine would be rusted like that, but lucky me little surface rust that was it. wooohooo

Looks good:thumbsup:

Do you remember what size was the nut holding down the steering wheel. I seem to have misplaced mine and need to find another.

well no rust is always a good thing!

and sorry, i dont, but i will need to take it off again soon because aparantly i put it together wrong somehow so the horn doesnt want to work, so i can check it out for you soon :thumbsup:

bigbelman2009 11-12-2009 02:23 PM

nice write up, looks really good too

RebuildRookie 11-12-2009 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bl4cK_kNiF3 (Post 8280266)
well no rust is always a good thing!

and sorry, i dont, but i will need to take it off again soon because aparantly i put it together wrong somehow so the horn doesnt want to work, so i can check it out for you soon :thumbsup:

If you dont mind, just PM me with the info. I am driving the heep right now as a DD. I have the wheel hammered down on it so its not coming off, already tried pulling it off.:laugh:

AuroraJeep 11-12-2009 03:21 PM

I just put a real small cut under the steering column to remove and install mine. I know you're already done but for those reading.

ZeroGravity 11-12-2009 03:53 PM

Nice write up. Good call on labeling all your harnesses. I've seen a couple threads where guys get it all apart without labeling anything and spend 4 days figuring it out.

rustywrangler 11-12-2009 04:11 PM

Added this to the FAQ. Nice work on the repair.

Bl4cK_kNiF3 11-14-2009 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rustywrangler (Post 8280980)
Added this to the FAQ. Nice work on the repair.

thanks rusty! now im famous on JF :rofl:

glad i could be of help guys! sometimes some people need help with some simple stuff so i figured id do a write up for ya! :cheers2:

Deepair3 04-13-2014 07:37 AM

I believe you have inspired me to pull mine and do the same!


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