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Unread 05-05-2011, 08:50 AM   #1
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Recovery Gear? Winch?

I have been having gear envy of my friends extensive collection of recovery gear he brings to the desert in his Toyota Fortuner. He has some MaxTrac sand ladders, a high lift jack and the most used piece of gear, the kinetic snatch rope. I know how well the rope works frome personal experience ( stock jeep and there is some really thick sand in places ). He does some serious dune bashing for fun on the weekends but most of us just drive across the dunes in a convoy to get to some of our dive sites. I am mainly interested in having the right gear to help get the others in our group out, especially when I'm leading the diving that day. I'm pretty sure the easiest and cheapest solution would be to get the snatch rope but I have a couple of questions.

To attach the rope to the back of the jeep to pull someone out I am thinking I could drill through the frame and attach a d-ring shackle or something similar. If this is a bad idea let me know but I would think there would be a lot more strength there than somewhere on the bumper.

I was also thinking it would be nice to have, and just look cool , a winch on the front instead. I have seen a Land Cruiser pull out a GMC Envoy by just hooking to the rear and turning on the winch. I have zero experience when it comes to winches so my question for those of you that use them, would the light weight of the jeep compared to a stuck suv cause the winch to just pull me across the sand instead of pulling them out? I have no clue how that would work, just thinking of questions to ask before I spend money on anything.

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Unread 05-05-2011, 09:41 AM   #2
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To attach the rope to the back of the jeep to pull someone out I am thinking I could drill through the frame and attach a d-ring shackle or something similar. If this is a bad idea let me know but I would think there would be a lot more strength there than somewhere on the bumper.

I was also thinking it would be nice to have, and just look cool , a winch on the front instead. I have seen a Land Cruiser pull out a GMC Envoy by just hooking to the rear and turning on the winch. I have zero experience when it comes to winches so my question for those of you that use them, would the light weight of the jeep compared to a stuck suv cause the winch to just pull me across the sand instead of pulling them out? I have no clue how that would work, just thinking of questions to ask before I spend money on anything.
I would rethink drilling into the frame. That's the last thing you want to compromise. I understand that its pretty sound thinking, but, in reality you could weaken your frame by drilling it, plus when you attached a rope to it via a d-ring, you **could** bend the frame during a pull.

As far as if you winching across sand: Ive never done this but this is my thinking. It all depends on terrain and how "thick" the sand is. If you have a snatch block and a properly weight rated winch, you should be able to pull out an average SUV. BUT, if youre going "head to head" with it, I would expect you to drag (once again, depending on terrain).

I have been pulled out of a mud bog by a winch that was head to head and it was fine. But, its like anything else, your results can vary.
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Unread 05-05-2011, 10:10 AM   #3
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Good information to know. Now I have to go look up what a snatch block is. Never used a winch so I assume this is a part of it or maybe an accessory?
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My D-ring mounts are tied into the frame on the back of my YJ. They also attach to the rear crossmember via the bumper (3/16 tubing bumper). I wanted an extra tie-in rather than just use the rear crossmember. Mostly to keep my spare tire swing from moving- the rear crossmember was also gusseted to the frame with angle iron.

I have a single 1/2" grade 8 bolt run up through the frame into the D ring mount from the bottom. Add to this the 8 3/8" grade 8 bolts on the crossmember. My D-ring mount is 1" thick-



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My D-ring mounts are tied into the frame on the back of my YJ. They also attach to the rear crossmember via the bumper (3/16 tubing bumper). I wanted an extra tie-in rather than just use the rear crossmember. Mostly to keep my spare tire swing from moving- the rear crossmember was also gusseted to the frame with angle iron.

I have a single 1/2" grade 8 bolt run up through the frame into the D ring mount from the bottom. Add to this the 8 3/8" grade 8 bolts on the crossmember. My D-ring mount is 1" thick-



It looks like you've made your rear crossmember pretty much useless though.
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Unread 05-05-2011, 11:34 AM   #6
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It looks like you've made your rear crossmember pretty much useless though.
Please explain.

Note that I did not open up those holes in the cross member- they were already rusted through, I just hit them with a grinder to smooth out the edges. The rear of the cross member has an additional 3/16" plate welded to it now and 1.5X1.5X1/8" angle iron welded to the corners tieing it into the frame (clearanced for the shackle swing). The rear backing plate is only 2" wide, but the top holes go through this plate and the bottom has a large washer welded to the plate that the bolt passes through.

The outside set of four holes has a piece of angle to support it like the inside and large washers on the back of the bolts.

PS- the pictures were snapped prior to the backing plate N such- the D-ring plate passed through both sides of the tube bumper and is welded on both sides.

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Unread 05-05-2011, 12:00 PM   #7
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My suggestion would be to install a properly rated bumper that has a receiver for pulling a trailer in the rear. Properly set up you will get attachment to the frame on both sides, as well as additional straps underneath. Then you run the shakle/d-ring in the receiver with a proper attachment, and your pulling will be better distributed across the entire rear frame area.

My Jeep came with the "factory" tow package which was a lesser class ball on the back, with tow hooks up front mounted atop the frame on each side, through the factory bumper holes. I did pull folks out with a recovery strap on the old ball setup, and even on the front hooks. But I would have never tried to use a kinetic type strap on either old setup trying to pull a full size vehicle from a bad stuck. Too easy to torque the frame. With a winch installed properly on the front, and/or a proper receiver hitch in the back, the forces would be distributed better across the entire frame. The bumper will beef up your stock crossmember.

The snatch block is just a single pully that can be used with a winch line or even a come-along line to "double" your pulling power, but it also halves the length and speed. When you are researching this, check on the Quadratrac or 4WD web site and you will see the goodies. Check out earth anchors (or deadmans) because this might provide a solution to anchoring your Jeep if winching someone else out, or provide a tie point for winching yourself out. I have also seen these listed in boating supply places as a place to drive your tie off line into the sand for anchoring a boat on the beach.

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