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Unread 04-16-2009, 03:07 PM   #61
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you should inclued a total. because im thinking about the same mod
I forgot to mention the clutch disc 45.00 dollars.
And the bell housing you will need. A lot of people are saying you can find it on www.carparts.com for under 50.00 bucks, or www.car-parts.com. I got it with my assembly line engine I found advertised on craigslist. This guy in Castaic, California posted the engine for $500.00 dollars, new old stock assembly line engine, he had a bunch of parts as well that went with it. It had been sitting for quite some time with a special stand someone made for it and everything. His post read 2.5 jeep engine and the details of years of vehicles it would fit. It is ironic that the bell housing I was looking for was just sitting on the floor under the engine area and I had no idea what it went to at the time, plus he threw in a new starter, new alternator, motor mounts, a new 4 cyl. throttle body intake complete with injectors, sensors and throttle body all new besides the one already installed on the new assembly line engine, extra new oil pan, and few other things but don't come to my mind at this time. Well anyways, apparently his father owned all this stuff and collected it and had plans for it but he had passed on. So, again, I caught the add within 2 hours of posting and immediately drove over there. I had no idea what year it was, but I knew the block and head were compatible just by looking at it, and the mystery bell housing was thrown in with it. I did not hesitate, I drove my wrangler over and noticed he had a cherry picker on the floor. I said you know what, I opened my passengers side door wide open and said, just put the engine in my passengers seat. he looked at me and said you like living dangerously don't you. i said yes but I will drive slow. He did it, we managed to get an assembly line engine on my passengers seat, we put tie down around it and kind of secured it to the roll cage and door mirror. Mind you this is a complete new engine with intake, exhaust, long block, new water pump, timing chain cover, flywheel, clutch, sensors.. all new and all attached, ready to install. It took up room and you could see it clear as day an engine in my passengers seat driving down the highway of my jeep. Thats how bad I wanted this thing though and all the new parts that came with it. So, after a few weeks went by I started wondering about the bell housing and thought no, theres no way that is the right one I am looking for, and for the heck of it I ran the numbers on google and it showed a 97 dakota, exactly what I am looking for, I was shocked of the coincidence, what are the chances of that? So, that is how I got my bell housing, and, i will be installing a new engine, NV3550 trans, and a fresh np231 case, for this swap. It turns out the new old stock engine is a 1996, a year newer than mine, but it looks exactly the same, and it will work. So that is how I am going to do this. Just rip the entire engine, transfer case, transmission all at once and install my new drive train.

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Unread 04-16-2009, 03:27 PM   #62
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Dude, your helping remove my fear of taking apart my t-case.
Thanks, that made me laugh when I read that, because I can relate to that. My goal is to make a thread that has a very detailed photographic description, as opposed to primarily text for what I am doing. So far so good. My knowledge pretty good when it comes to engines, as I grew up working on them a lot. But there are things I don't know as well of course, so it's great to have a format like jeepforum to share this with.
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Unread 04-16-2009, 03:28 PM   #63
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thanks moonshine, hoping to stock up on parts so i can do this someday.
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Unread 04-16-2009, 09:55 PM   #64
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yeah same here trying to get some parts together and one day i too can get dump the crappie ax5
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Unread 04-16-2009, 10:51 PM   #65
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Don't get too worked up on your transfer case. If anything got shoved about by the DS wanging into rocks, it would be the tail housing. That isn't broken, but you will be replacing it and the output bearing when you do the SYE. It is very difficult to assess the stretch on the chain on a disassembled TC. Best thing to do is assess play in the chain by poking your finger in the fill/drain holes and checking chain play, or looking for evidence of chain slap against the inside of the case. The chain costs $100. If you're uncertain, put in a new one, and consider how much money you're saving by doing this work yourself.
I am not sure about any source which tells how long the chain should be. If anyone does know that, post it up for us.
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Unread 04-17-2009, 01:43 AM   #66
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Don't get too worked up on your transfer case. If anything got shoved about by the DS wanging into rocks, it would be the tail housing. That isn't broken, but you will be replacing it and the output bearing when you do the SYE. It is very difficult to assess the stretch on the chain on a disassembled TC. Best thing to do is assess play in the chain by poking your finger in the fill/drain holes and checking chain play, or looking for evidence of chain slap against the inside of the case. The chain costs $100. If you're uncertain, put in a new one, and consider how much money you're saving by doing this work yourself.
I am not sure about any source which tells how long the chain should be. If anyone does know that, post it up for us.
Thanks. The next step is going to be splitting the case. This is my first time doing this process, so it is definitely interesting. Just as long as everything goes back together the way it came out, I should be fine. The jb conv. ss sye will be a learning experience as well. I will be keeping a photographic journal of this process as I go for the thread, and my own reference. The case looks good, so that is good news. I think it will be fairly obvious if there is damage. Thanks again.
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Unread 04-17-2009, 04:01 PM   #67
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Today I placed an order with http://www.advanceadapters.com/ for one p/n 716167. NV 4500 pilot bushing. $19.00 approx.
Also I decided to buy a slave kit from them. It comes with all the fittings, steel braided lines, and the slave cylinder for the nv 3550 conversion I am doing. I am understanding this may not be necessary, but, I know my slave cylinder is tired, and I like steel braided lines. It is kind of pricey, about 140.00 bucks. p/n 716340. I gave Brown dog off road a call, http://browndogindustries.com/ The rep. informed me he doesn't do motor mounts that will move my engine forward 2 inches. He did say the best way for me to do it was to cut my motor mount perches and just relocate them forward 2 inches and weld them there. This is one way to keep your drive line the same.
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Unread 04-17-2009, 06:05 PM   #68
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Not that I'm trying to self-promote, but this could be handy to you in your transfer case rebuild. Lots of photos, etc.

http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f12/sye-install-np231-still-695330/
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Unread 04-18-2009, 08:58 AM   #69
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Not that I'm trying to self-promote, but this could be handy to you in your transfer case rebuild. Lots of photos, etc.

http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=695330
Thank you. This is the kind of stuff that I need.
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Not that I'm trying to self-promote, but this could be handy to you in your transfer case rebuild. Lots of photos, etc.

http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=695330
This thread you have is so good I cannot possibly top it. So that is good news for me. For the most part, the info. on my t case build I refer to your thread, unless I run into something unusual. I will post a little, but you have done an outstanding job, so link to thread above.
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Any strange problems along the way, post it up, and I'll do my best to monitor this thread and provide any answers I can. It's how we all learn on this forum. Glad you found the thread helpful.
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The transfer case is an important part of this conversion as you will need a 23 spline transfer case, or just change out the gear yourself after you bought another one, and retain your case. Whatever works best for each individual. I am very happy with my case, I broke it down more last night. There is a certain intimidation if it is your first time doing this as it is mine. But I am much more confident with it now. I will be ordering my jb conv. sye. in approx. one week. I really needed to open this case up to be confident it was good, and it is. There are tabs around the perimeter of the case to separate it that work very well with a screwdriver or similar tool to wedge it apart. The parts I ordered from Advance Adapters should be in any day now, and I will lay it all out and post pictures of that as well. Here is my 1997 np231 t-case interior:
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More pictures of the disassembly.
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More pictures.
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