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Unread 09-17-2013, 08:13 AM   #1
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No Roll Cage? Here is why you need one....

From the first hand accounts I heard.. He was on a hill that he should have been able to make it up but it was pushing the limits of his set up. 36's I believe. Stock everything. He got sideways on the hill and the jeep settled for a second. Then slowly went over a single time and stopped on the passenger side. So driver side hit, then top, then came to rest on passenger side.

Note how the stock bar folded and creased. This bar was designed to support the wind forces of the window, NOT to protect you in a flop. Look how it's bent down at the sport bar and pulled away. That crease would hurt or kill a passenger who had a shoulder harness on, you can't get away if the belt locks. No passenger was here luckily. Notice how its right where a head would be.





The area bent down in this low speed flop was down to the steering wheel. It was pried back up. A large chunk of his face was still on there after they pulled him out. That metal is just enough to hold glass in. It's not protective in any way.



Remember the area sticking down on the window frame was crushed to the wheel. You couldn't fit a finger between the wheel and frame. That's how twisted it was. The metal is so weak it was pried back up to get him out. The driver side window support was folded down much more also. Note the lap belt, no shoulder belt.



Low speed, non violent roll. Could happen to anyone. No matter how confident or safe you think you are. False sense of security because a little metal window frame. Sometimes when accidents happen there are injuries that are not preventable, they are just unlucky bad accidents. He could have walked away laughing with a cage.

He is alive. Broken collar bone because a rock came in the window. His face was ripped by the window frame and he had a flap that fell down exposing his skull. He didn't know he rolled. I don't have an update since I left VA on Sunday.


Put a damn roll cage in.

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Unread 09-17-2013, 08:37 AM   #2
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Would have done far better without the spreader bar. Mine did when I rolled it.
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To me it looks like the only real issue here is the whimpy windshield, and support bars. The actual roll bar faired pretty well. How much would keeping the stock roll bar and adding some strength to the front half? Similar to this:

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To me it looks like the only real issue here is the whimpy windshield, and support bars. The actual roll bar faired pretty well. How much would keeping the stock roll bar and adding some strength to the front half? Similar to this:
The stock B pillar sport bar will fold easily if its not supported with some cross bracing. It needs triangulation to prevent it from folding. I used the stock bar to work from. Added an astrex looking bars. X with a cross bar. tied it to the frame. You still need A pillar tied to the frame and over head support.





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##### I cant look at pics when I am at work! Bookmarked for veiwing when I get home. It is one of my concerns with the fiberglass tub I am thinking about going to. Frame tieins front and rear are on my list.
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This is my winter project for the YJ. There are certain trails/terrain I will not attempt due to the factory roll bar set up in my jeep. I am not opposed to pushing my jeep to its limits, I am just opposed to pushing my head to ITS limit.
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The stock B pillar sport bar will fold easily if its not supported with some cross bracing. It needs triangulation to prevent it from folding. I used the stock bar to work from. Added an astrex looking bars. X with a cross bar. tied it to the frame. You still need A pillar tied to the frame and over head support.





What about those of us who want room for 2 rear passengers as well?

My Jeep is definitely getting attention when it comes to the rollbar.
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Great post! None of the factory setup is any good at all.

I need to get mine made. Right now when I wheel if it looks at all hairy I don't attempt or tell passengers to get out. Still taking chances but for now...

As far as accessing the back seats... I have thought about running a half removable center bar on the passenger side. My design is not perfected yet.

I am also thinking of switching the rear seats to buckets for head support. Also tieing those into the cage with floor bars tied to the cage as well.
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What about those of us who want room for 2 rear passengers as well?

My Jeep is definitely getting attention when it comes to the rollbar.
There's room on something like that. Get creative.
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Poke. Looking GOOD!

Whats the easiest way to tie into the frame? Drill a hole in the floor and weld it up?
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Unread 09-17-2013, 10:07 AM   #14
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I put this in about 8 years ago. Do not know how effective it is as I have had not needed it yet(good thing).
It is a "sport" cage(poison spyder sport from when ps was in Denver). It welds to the existing factory cage. And has a tub/frame tie in at the end of the down pillar.






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Unread 09-17-2013, 11:01 AM   #15
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What about those of us who want room for 2 rear passengers as well? .
make it so it covers the rear passengers. Don't complicate it. There are thousands of pictures and infinite options available to protect everyone in it.
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