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Unread 05-09-2013, 05:05 PM   #1
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need more traction, locker questions

took my jeep out for the first time on a trail ride and found some issues getting enough traction.

it is a 94 4.0 with 32's and a very stiff pro-comp lift (I think 2"). I want to go out and do it again but would like to upgrade some stuff so I dont slip and slide as soon as the trail is not level. Every time there would be a bump on one side of the trail or the other, my tires would break loose and I would have to back down and try again..... so here is my ideas and questions for most bang for the buck....

1. swaybar disconnects- I see that most of the ones that I have seen online are for larger lifts than I have, not knowing the exact lift I have makes it hard to figure ouw which setup to get.

2. Locker- after getting more flex I would like to be able to get it to the ground a little better. I have the stock axles 30-front 35-rear.. so my question would be, should I put a lunch box locker like the aussie or the detroit true-trac in the 30 up front? I have read alot of the posts, but most of them have lockers front and back, and my budget is only one locker at this time... will that be beneficial and safe, or just a waste till the new rear axle is installed and locked also?

My primary use is trail, a rock climb if I have to.. but mostly just trail.

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Unread 05-09-2013, 05:49 PM   #2
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First, the Detroit TrueTrac is not a "lunchbox locker". It is a full case torque biasing differential. If you only have the budget for one locker, I would put it in the rear, especially if you run 4WD on the street in slippery conditions. I run a Truetrac in the front in combination with a Detroit Locker in the rear. I like the TrueTrac up front, but would not want it by itself without the full locker in the rear.

Some argue for the front if only running one locker, and they may have valid arguments. If I was in your position with limited budget, I would put an Aussie or a Spartan in the rear. I just put a Spartan in the rear of my wifes Dodge Dakota and am really impressed with it so far. Very mild mannered on the street. Usually, if I lift a tire on the trail, it is a rear tire, so a locker does more there in my opinion. Also, when climbing a steep hill, weight transfer puts more weight on the rear.
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Unread 05-09-2013, 05:52 PM   #3
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You're in woodland, there is no snow to contend with on the roads in the winter. Aussie in the front will suffice.

By the by, do you still have your track bars on? And yes, you may be able to negate a locker if you just adios'd your swaybar.
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Unread 05-09-2013, 06:35 PM   #4
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Make sure your shackles are not over torqued too. 35-40lbs. some instructions say 80-90#. this will help with spring droop and soften the ride a bit..

as said ditch track bars and sway bar...
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Unread 05-09-2013, 06:41 PM   #5
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Forget doing anything till you air down your tires for off roading. 12 psi is safe and 10 is not out of the question.

Just doing that will make your YJ an entirely different ride.
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Unread 05-09-2013, 07:10 PM   #6
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I have a Spartan in the front and with the cad it is invisible till you put it in 4Wd. The track bars will stiffen the ride and limit flex and yes it is perfectly harmless to remove them. Next I have to say greasing your bushing will make way more difference than loosening the shackle to 30 ft lbs. Now I did run mine at 45 till I noticed the bolts making the holes oblong. So I took it all apart, greased it then torqued it as tight as I could and now it just as smooth.
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Unread 05-09-2013, 08:36 PM   #7
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I would suggest eliminating the front and rear track bars and the sway bar all together, (save the sway bar disconnect money for later upgrades), and air down to 12 - 10 psi and go wheel it. Decide how you like it and then proceed from there. You can install a lunch box locker in you driveway without having to do gear setups and such. Front or rear, your choice. I have driven vehicles with one or the other and they both did fine. I have seen quite a few guys wheeling open diffs and they did fine, you just have to pick your poison when out on the trail.
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Unread 05-09-2013, 09:15 PM   #8
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What trails are you riding?
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Unread 05-09-2013, 09:17 PM   #9
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On my 95 YJ I ditched the sway bar and track bars, added an Aussie up front, then when I went wheeling I aired down to 10-8 psi.
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Unread 05-09-2013, 09:33 PM   #10
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I am in Norcal, I was up at cow mountain on just some trails... I knew my sway bars were a part of the cause.. but it was my maiden voyage with the YJ, and also as a driver of anything offroad....

I did air down, about 19 at first, then down to 15 and it was better.

You guys say ditch the sway bar.. are you talking totally, or just wheeling? I dont DD this jeep... but I do take it to work which is 35 hard and fast freeway miles..
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You guys say ditch the sway bar.. are you talking totally, or just wheeling?
Totally. Never had an issue, my YJ was my DD, did lots of interstate driving, to and from the wheeling spots, at speeds of 70-75 mph.
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Unread 05-09-2013, 09:38 PM   #12
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I saw the pics from the trip recently. And yes just adios the entire thing. It could probably be used as some workout equipment somehow.
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Unread 05-09-2013, 09:45 PM   #13
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You can completely ditch both track bars and sway bar and I DD mine. Steering is not affected and I don't notice too much body roll. My jeep has a 4" lift and 33's. you can always put the sway back on if yours feels unsafe.

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Unread 05-09-2013, 09:58 PM   #14
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Sounds like you could benefit from learning how to use the equipment you already have. Believe it or not, there is a lot of technique to off road driving. Just putting more gear on your ride still doesn't tighten up the loose nut behind the wheel.
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Unread 05-09-2013, 11:10 PM   #15
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Sounds like you could benefit from learning how to use the equipment you already have. Believe it or not, there is a lot of technique to off road driving. Just putting more gear on your ride still doesn't tighten up the loose nut behind the wheel.
Yes but all the cool bling might make it heavier so the nut behind the wheel can find traction
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