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Unread 02-15-2013, 01:57 PM   #1
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Need help replacing winch solenoids

Im replacing the solenoids in my old M8000 to DB Electricals solenoids. Link below
http://www.dbelectrical.com/p-3579-4...6-smr6005.aspx

Im having trouble because my old solenoids are side post and these are top post. Also, the small posts have S and I written beside them. No idea what those letters mean. My dad thinks it means Start and Ignition... Why would an elctric winch need Ignition?

If any of you fellas have experience replacing winch solenoids, help me out.
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Unread 02-15-2013, 02:50 PM   #2
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If you go to Google and enter 'what do S and I mean on a solenoid, you will find a plethora of answers. S typically means the start switch, in your case it will go to either the wind or unwind switch. The "I" should be a heavy lead and goes either to the battery or winch.
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Unread 02-15-2013, 04:10 PM   #3
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Thanks, im sure when i sit down and really put my mind to it i can figure it out.
I just dont want to 'wing it' and end up ruining four brand new solenoids.

heres how the winch is wired as of now.
http://www.google.com/imgres?um=1&hl...r:48,s:0,i:236


Heres the diagram that came from DB Electrical.
http://www.dbelectrical.com/popup.as...g%26size=large

Its all a bit unclear and will take some guess work to figure it out.
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Unread 02-15-2013, 05:13 PM   #4
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It's super clear.
Here is another perspective


The main difference that might confuse you is that the old round solenoids were most likely body grounded, where the top post solenoids are most likely post grounded. The small 'S' post is the switch input, the OTHER small post is the ground.

I was able to re-use my copper connecting plates when I converted the 8274 to top posts. had to drill a new hole in two of them and trim the extra, but that was easy, copper is soft.

The rest of the wiring on these is identical to any 4 solenoid setup. The only difference is that you have to ground each one with the small posts or the switch (S) circuit will not work.
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Unread 02-15-2013, 08:15 PM   #5
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Sweet. This is the diagram im lookin for. Now that im this far my nest question is, what to do about my control box only being three wires?
I see five going to the control box in this schematic.
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Unread 02-16-2013, 07:03 AM   #6
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What is the make and part number solenoid you purchased?
Do you have the diagram of the new solenoid?
Did you get the solenoids from Warn or a company that sells replacement solenoids for your M8000?

Most solenoids are faily simple.
The 2 small terminals provide the voltage to the coil inside and generally doesn't matter which of the small wires you connect to the two small termials.
Same generally goes for the two larger terminals.
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Unread 02-16-2013, 09:48 AM   #7
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Here is the solenoids I purchased. A diagram for them also shows five wires coming from the control box.
http://www.dbelectrical.com/p-3579-4...6-smr6005.aspx
If possible i would really like to keep a three wire system. Its much easier to repair knowing you only need a three way toggle switch. On-Off-On. Instead of five. I dont even know why you need five wires...

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Back to your diagram. The top left green wire will connect to the bottom right green wire, and the bottom left black wire will connect to the top right black wire correct? Then, all the brown wires in the middle will have a common ground?
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Here is the solenoids I purchased. A diagram for them also shows five wires coming from the control box.
http://www.dbelectrical.com/p-3579-4...6-smr6005.aspx
If possible i would really like to keep a three wire system. Its much easier to repair knowing you only need a three way toggle switch. On-Off-On. Instead of five. I dont even know why you need five wires...
OK, I looked at the solenoids you bought.
You can keep your 3 wire system.
Just hook up the replacement solenoids the same way your original ones were wired.
It doesn't matter which small terminals you hook the small wire to. Same with the large terminals.
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Unread 02-16-2013, 11:33 AM   #9
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Ok, cool. I have the housing all apart and now found out I need a bigger plate to mount the new solenoids to. Im about to dig around the house and see if i cant come up with something.
Its making alot more sense now that i have my hands on everything. Hopefuly by the end of the day I cant test 'er out.
I will put all my 'S's facing outward and put all my 'I's facing inward.
top left 'S' connected to bottom right 'S' and top right connected to bottom left.
then all inward 'I's connected and grounded
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Unread 02-17-2013, 11:43 AM   #10
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Just got everything wired back up and nothing happend. I have 12v going to the bottom left big post and 12v going to my control box. The next thing im going to try is connect all inner small posts to a common ground. Hopefuly that will get me back going.
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Unread 02-17-2013, 04:15 PM   #12
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SHAAZAM! Im back up and running. Of course, now that i know everything works right Ill have to dress up my wires and make everything fit right.
Thanks for all yalls input and for helping me out!
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