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Unread 09-16-2013, 12:48 PM   #16
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LOL... Scott fast and YJ are about as opposites as you can get. Fast and 2.5L YJ....even worse. Fast and TBI YJ.....I think he can pass me on his skateboard!

I have been in a few accidents. I think I have about 20 confirmed kills of one kind or another under my belt....that is no kidding. 20 more that were less drivable when they got home then when they started. Pushing the envelope of any vehicle will put it over the top. I have 3 rollovers and only 1 was in a Jeep. A Grand Cherokee prototype worth 1/2 million. Never in my YJ. Go figure. The YJ is a tough vehicle. If I am looking at what kills teens behind the wheel of a vehicle #1 will always be distracted driving a close second is speed. My YJ is the vehicle of choise because it limits 2 of the biggest reasons. Admittedly its center of gravity is higher because of the narrower wheel base but I can make sure he will be paying attention to the road and not driving fast. Try texting while you are shifting gears all the time.
I'm 16 but I don't even text really. But there is a sticker on the sun visor that says its more apt to rollover. But yeah not to speedy even with the 4.2 mine has. It'll climb a tree though

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Unread 09-16-2013, 12:50 PM   #17
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LOL... Scott fast and YJ are about as opposites as you can get. Fast and 2.5L YJ....even worse. Fast and TBI YJ.....I think he can pass me on his skateboard!

I have been in a few accidents. I think I have about 20 confirmed kills of one kind or another under my belt....that is no kidding. 20 more that were less drivable when they got home then when they started. Pushing the envelope of any vehicle will put it over the top. I have 3 rollovers and only 1 was in a Jeep. A Grand Cherokee prototype worth 1/2 million. Never in my YJ. Go figure. The YJ is a tough vehicle. If I am looking at what kills teens behind the wheel of a vehicle #1 will always be distracted driving a close second is speed. My YJ is the vehicle of choise because it limits 2 of the biggest reasons. Admittedly its center of gravity is higher because of the narrower wheel base but I can make sure he will be paying attention to the road and not driving fast. Try texting while you are shifting gears all the time.
Plus I restored my own so I have more respect for it
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Unread 09-16-2013, 07:19 PM   #18
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I agree with que 100%

As for the roll over sticker... You will find that on any 4wd vehicle.
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Unread 09-18-2013, 04:21 PM   #19
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Thanks for all the input!!!!!
I am going to listen and keep my motor , makes sense about all the points above!
I have taught my daughter how to drive the stick already and I agree with points above, But we live in the Tampa Bay in Florida where traffic Stinks, Bumper to Bumper city traffic! So we are going to do the swap for the auto trans.
So instead of the motor swap , we are going to do a 2.5 Old Man Emu lift kit , so it is a softer ride for the whole family.
Thanks Again for all the input!
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Unread 09-18-2013, 04:59 PM   #20
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Until he drives too fast around a corner and rolls it
You'd be surprised at how hard it is to do that in a YJ on 33s. You'd have to be scootin' pretty quick around a corner to actually flop it. Best I could do is the 3 wheel motion and even then it was pretty uneventful.

Unless he's driving his YJ like it's an SRT Challenger, I wouldn't worry too much.
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Unread 09-18-2013, 05:31 PM   #21
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Creates more time to text instead of shift.
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Learning to drive a manual tyranny is one of the best things a parent can teach a child. They will never forget how and like mentioned if there is an emergency....they will know how.
As for safety I don't see an auto being any safer....just make dam sure the clutch override interlock is operable.
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In my himble opinion I thnk you are dealing with 2 seperate issues here. The first is an engine swap. You have a rebuilt 2.5L. You are sitting with a 2.5L that has 150K and the life expectacy is 250-300k. The engine you are putting in is totally unknown. With a rebuilt you have no idea of who did it so you dont know the quality of the parts or the knowledge of the people that did it, or the miles on it since the rebuild. Vote for keeping your engine.

The auto trans. The tf999 or aw4 are both good trans.. One of the bigger gripes of the 2.5 crowd is the ax-5. It is weak for offroading but for most dd it will last the lifetime. You will probably replace the clutch especially if you are teching her to drive a stick on it, but the ax 5 and most manuals are more durable by a long shrt. When compared to the fuel economy of the manual and the auto it wins.

More important is the saftey. The manual requires attention. You are engaged with the vehicle as it moves. It is much easier to become distracted in an auto. Talking on the cell, texting, putting on makeup, etc. when you have to use your hands and feet to keep it going. More important is the stopping capability ina manual trans. Using the engine braking power to slow you down quicker when you need to do the quick stop shortens the distance considerably.

To me I personally think you are going to do her a favor by starting her off on a manual. My GF will not drive my Jeep or any other manuals because it is an inconvience....she doesnt know how to drive a stick. We just got into a fight over buying a new car because I wanted a manual in a new Dodge Dart; guess what, its going to be an auto.

That is my .02

As far as the price goes there is a member here that has a shop in Florida. I know you trust your guy but I seriously cannot recommend this guy enough. If you are going to do the conversion please compare. He is on the other coast but he is the most knowledgeable Jeep guy I know and I am definitely not stroking ego's when I say that.
His name is Max: http://jeepspace.jeepforum.com/Mean%20Max
PM him.

Good luck. The GF son is 14 and in Michigan you can get a permit at 14years 9 months. The idea of him driving a car in another few months scares the living ##### out of me! He will be learning in my Jeep. With the 2.5L and the stick shift on 33's. Slow but a sherman tank and I know at the end of the day it is the safest thing in the world for him to drive in.
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I made my girl learn to drive a stick and she and I both wrenched her (our) YJ back from the scrap heap. She learned a lot about automobiles and does her own brake jobs, oil changes, clutch replacements, just about everything (with me watching). A manual transmission is a beautiful thing. I won't rehash whats already been said, but I love it when I text my daughter, wait ten minutes and text again, then call and no response. About 20 minutes later I get a text back "sorry was driving". When she drives her YJ she drives. There is no time to do anything else.

Give her options in life by denying her this one option. Make her first car a stick. She will thank you when she's older. Let her take the driving test in moms car - it's an automatic right?
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