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Unread 10-09-2012, 08:41 PM   #16
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YOu can buy the ax-15 and TC together, and instead of clocking them, swap the input shafts on the 231's. (21 spline vs 23 spline, no worse than an SYE).
However, the AX-15 swap isnt as easy as it's all laid out here. The AX-15 will add about 2", which means you add driveshaft modification to your list, possibly something that is cheap to do in your area. Different Bell housing (dakota).

There are a few threads on it. Check them out and see what expenses they have incurred.
8.8 is solid and a good choice.

If you're running a 2.5L and you switch to an AX15 and 8.8, I'm not sure what your weakest point comes to next, but you'd be in good shape.

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Unread 10-09-2012, 11:37 PM   #17
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Likely the cheapest solution is swapping in another AX5, but I'd consider doing the 5th gear collar on it that replaces the snap ring.

What is the carnage on your original AX 5? You may be able to come up with parts cheaper than you list. One of the things you'll have to consider is what are your overall goals are with this Jeep. If you consider getting rig back on the road as soon as you can, then swap in another AX5.

I have tons of recommendations, none of them will ever involve heads and bullets though.
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Unread 10-10-2012, 01:42 AM   #18
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You are correct but that can be fixed with a 3/8 drill bit.

The AX-5 and the AX-15 have different input shafts and output splines so it maybe easier and cheaper to just grab the whole trans and t-case both together as an assembly out of an XJ Cherokee, and then re-clock the t-case to fit.
Grab the clutch too.
i alwAYS end up like this...i got the ax15 already...yay (fml) please define "reclocking" the bullet is getting tempting...first the jeep...then me.....love always ends that way.....murder murder (the jeeps been killing me slower than smokes)
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Unread 10-10-2012, 07:17 AM   #19
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YOu can buy the ax-15 and TC together, and instead of clocking them, swap the input shafts on the 231's. (21 spline vs 23 spline, no worse than an SYE).
However, the AX-15 swap isnt as easy as it's all laid out here. The AX-15 will add about 2", which means you add driveshaft modification to your list, possibly something that is cheap to do in your area. Different Bell housing (dakota).

There are a few threads on it. Check them out and see what expenses they have incurred.
8.8 is solid and a good choice.

If you're running a 2.5L and you switch to an AX15 and 8.8, I'm not sure what your weakest point comes to next, but you'd be in good shape.
thanks death. i looked for a 3550 (dakota trans) for a while with no luck.....but wont the slip yoke take up the length diff?
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Unread 10-10-2012, 08:09 AM   #20
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thanks death. i looked for a 3550 (dakota trans) for a while with no luck.....but wont the slip yoke take up the length diff?

No, a CV shaft will though. I just did it.
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Unread 10-10-2012, 12:23 PM   #21
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i alwAYS end up like this...i got the ax15 already...yay (fml) please define "reclocking" the bullet is getting tempting...first the jeep...then me.....love always ends that way.....murder murder (the jeeps been killing me slower than smokes)
Put the freakin gun down.

You only have to re-clock if your parts came out of a cherokee. You only have to worry about the shafts if you're mix-n-mach between the 4-cyl setup and the 6-cyl setup.

Reclocking means "rotate the t-case around its inpt shaft, relative to the trans. In other words, give it a twist." You rotate the t-case clockwise as viewed from the rear, and re-drill 6 new mounting holes (following the old holes) and bolt it all back together. Done deal.

Yay you get the AX-15 -- that'll last a bit longer than an AX-5. If you're using your original t-case you'll probably have to swap t-case input shafts.
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Unread 10-10-2012, 12:40 PM   #22
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I'm not sure on your timeline on the jeep, if it's a DD or not. Sounds like you dont have an SYE yet and maybe this plan will be a bit ambitious at the moment, but here goes anyway...
Find that 8.8 (hopefully with 4.10's to match your front since you have the 2.5L)
YOu have the ax-15, find a 231 from a non-cherokee that had an ax15 or nv3550 so it already has the 23spline to match the ax-15.
Put on your SYE and DC shaft and set your angle with the 8.8.

*Adams driveshaft on Ebay usually has a deal for a rear shaft and SYE ~$350-400. Their shaft and a Rugged ridge SYE, I got a JB conversions, so i cant comment on the RR, but only things I hear on those is sometimes they have a seal drip, but that could be user error. I have Adams DS's front and back and their solid.
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Unread 10-10-2012, 07:11 PM   #23
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the ax15 is out of another wrangler. however he already sold the TC. should i swap the input shaft thats goes into the motor and buy the conversion kit that goes into the TC or try to find a TC that went with the ax15?
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the ax15 is out of another wrangler. however he already sold the TC. should i swap the input shaft thats goes into the motor and buy the conversion kit that goes into the TC or try to find a TC that went with the ax15?
Well, you already have the input shaft from your old trans, so that would be free minus the PITA labor to actually do it. Both trannies come apart the same way.. And then get the conversion kit for the TC. The answer depends on what shape is your TC in that you have now?

The only thing to consider is the different spline count between them. The AX-15 has 23 splines, the AX-5 had 21. So hopefully the conversion kit has the right TC input shafts for this.
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Unread 10-11-2012, 02:44 PM   #25
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Well, you already have the input shaft from your old trans, so that would be free minus the PITA labor to actually do it. Both trannies come apart the same way.. And then get the conversion kit for the TC. The answer depends on what shape is your TC in that you have now?

The only thing to consider is the different spline count between them. The AX-15 has 23 splines, the AX-5 had 21. So hopefully the conversion kit has the right TC input shafts for this.
pete, i assume i should pull the transfer case apart and check it as well? i can only assume that it is as beat up as the transmission. what is a good indicator that the transfer case is good or bad (after i pull it apart, of course)?
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Basically just "how slack is the chain?"

You don't even have to pull the whole thing. If the TC has never made any grinding noises and if its never ran out of oil, then the chain is gonna be the only thing worn out. The factory recommends changing the chain at 100k miles anyhow.

You might be able to put it in 4x4 and turn the u-joint yokes by hand. And feel for any roughness or grinding. Don't have to take it apart for that.

I'm gonna bet that the TC is OK tho.
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Basically just "how slack is the chain?"

You don't even have to pull the whole thing. If the TC has never made any grinding noises and if its never ran out of oil, then the chain is gonna be the only thing worn out. The factory recommends changing the chain at 100k miles anyhow.

You might be able to put it in 4x4 and turn the u-joint yokes by hand. And feel for any roughness or grinding. Don't have to take it apart for that.

I'm gonna bet that the TC is OK tho.
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the tc was bone dry when i bought it few years ago so i have no idea how long it was dry but no problems yet......im looking for another tc that i wont need a conkit for.
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the tc was bone dry when i bought it few years ago so i have no idea how long it was dry but no problems yet......im looking for another tc that i wont need a conkit for.
Mine was bone dry for the previous 10 years according to my previous owner. Its still OK but needs a new chain and rebuild for sure.

You're looking for a TC that came behind an AX-15 then? The cherokees are easier to find for sure but then you *will* have to re-clock it... takes about an hour max with a drill.

Also try out chris at http://www.cfoffroad.com/index.html
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Hes says he has T-cases for the AX-15 for $125 and up. Right there in Michigan too, so maybe that would save you a lot of hassle.
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Unread 10-11-2012, 11:32 PM   #29
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I put an AX15 behind the 2.5 years ago and am using that same trans behind my 5.2.
I will tell you all day long that the AX15 is worth the hassle.
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Unread 10-12-2012, 03:22 PM   #30
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Mine was bone dry for the previous 10 years according to my previous owner. Its still OK but needs a new chain and rebuild for sure.

You're looking for a TC that came behind an AX-15 then? The cherokees are easier to find for sure but then you *will* have to re-clock it... takes about an hour max with a drill.

Also try out chris at http://www.cfoffroad.com/index.html
call 810-650-3206

Hes says he has T-cases for the AX-15 for $125 and up. Right there in Michigan too, so maybe that would save you a lot of hassle.
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pete, do i need to reclock if the tc comes from a wrangler?
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