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Unread 03-22-2013, 04:12 PM   #16
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The last thing you messed with was wiring under the dash. That is where I would concentrate my efforts. Wiring along the steering column are very important they go to everything to do with starting this rig. Make sure the ground by the emergency brake is tight also.

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Unread 03-22-2013, 05:44 PM   #17
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Did you jumper pin 30 to 87 and see if the starter cranked?
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Unread 03-22-2013, 06:10 PM   #18
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I don't have a spare wire. But a brand new relay didn't work.

I the next test I did was where plugged the relay in halfway. I slipped the volt meter under the relay and touch the front pin (it was 30 or 87), I read 12.24 volts. Then I touched the other pin (30 or 87, not the side pins) while someone turned the ignition; the meter read 00.00 volts. So my conclusion is that the problem is sending the signal to the relay to power the starter. I bet it has to be either a wire issue or the ignition cylinder.
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Unread 03-22-2013, 06:15 PM   #19
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When you turn the ignition to the ON (not START) position does your CEL light up for several seconds?
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Unread 03-22-2013, 07:21 PM   #20
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The CEL comes on for a little past 2 seconds. The e-brake light is on as well since I have that engaged. Also the fuel pump starts up and the 9 volt works when the key is turned. Also the heat works. Just if I turn the key more to start the car, nothing happens.
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Unread 03-22-2013, 08:13 PM   #21
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The CEL comes on for a little past 2 seconds. The e-brake light is on as well since I have that engaged. Also the fuel pump starts up and the 9 volt works when the key is turned. Also the heat works. Just if I turn the key more to start the car, nothing happens.
The CEL coming on right away for a few seconds when you turn the key to the ON position usually indicates that the ECM is OK.

I keep hopping on the fact that the jeep ran until you started tie wrapping wiring under the dash. It is where I would concentrate my initial efforts to see if I had done anything physically. Looking elsewhere until I was completely satisfied that nothing was fubar'ed makes no sense to me unless you shorted a wire out.

I would pull every fuse in the fuse panel and in the PCM and check everyone of them for continuity with a multi-meter just to eliminate them as a possible culprit also.
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Unread 03-23-2013, 06:06 AM   #22
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Jemper 30 to 87 and see if the starter turns over, I can tell you where to go next I just need to know the power side is good and the control side is bad.
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Unread 03-23-2013, 10:35 AM   #23
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@laybackman, the first thing I checked was the wiring. I've checked it probably 3 times, spent 40 minutes making sure everything looks good.

@Que89YJ, I'll give this a shot. Let me look for something to jump them with.
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Unread 03-23-2013, 02:07 PM   #24
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I was able to jump 87 and 30 pins with a paper clip.
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Unread 03-23-2013, 09:26 PM   #25
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did the starter turn over?
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Unread 03-23-2013, 11:26 PM   #26
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Yes! Jumping 30 to 87 started the motor just fine.
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Unread 03-24-2013, 07:03 AM   #27
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OK good. NO on the same relay I want you to use a meter and on the other 2 pins 86 and 87 I want you to take the black meter lead ground and attach it to the negative battery terminal and using the positive lead check power on 86 and 87 while you have someone turning the ignition to the start position. You are looking for 12 vdc. If you don't have a meter a test light will work.
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Unread 03-24-2013, 07:58 AM   #28
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Did the starter turn over when you jumped bewtween the pins
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Unread 03-24-2013, 10:28 AM   #29
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Did the starter turn over when you jumped bewtween the pins
The two post above you would point to yes. I don't envy the op looks like he is gonna be tracing wires betwwen the relay and steering column. Atleast you got Que in your corner. He is really good at making things that seem comp licated rather simple to do.

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Unread 03-24-2013, 01:10 PM   #30
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@ Que89YJ, the other pins on the relay get no voltage when turning the key. The meter read 00.00 when testing them.
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