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Unread 08-27-2009, 03:25 AM   #16
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my wife would be PISSED...!
All the more why you should just do it!!! Sounds like an awesome project to me!

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Unread 08-27-2009, 04:41 AM   #17
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You could do it but it is ILLEGAL to put a motor older than the vehicle it's going in. According to fed. laws the motor being swapped in HAS to be newer than the vehicle it's going into. And since the 400 was done in 78...... They didn't make any YJ's in 78...... Something to think about.
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Unread 08-27-2009, 04:59 AM   #18
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You could do it but it is ILLEGAL to put a motor older than the vehicle it's going in. According to fed. laws the motor being swapped in HAS to be newer than the vehicle it's going into. And since the 400 was done in 78...... They didn't make any YJ's in 78...... Something to think about.
really ? i know hundreds of guys driving around in old pontiacs with even older engine blocks in them. the older ones were made stronger and are more sought after...
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Unread 08-27-2009, 05:09 AM   #19
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You could do it but it is ILLEGAL to put a motor older than the vehicle it's going in. According to fed. laws the motor being swapped in HAS to be newer than the vehicle it's going into. And since the 400 was done in 78...... They didn't make any YJ's in 78...... Something to think about.
That maybe a state law,but that's the first time i heard of it bein a federal law,different laws for different states.

Makes me wonder about all these YJ's with older V8 blocks in them?
And all the legaly inspected vehicles on the road with much older blocks in them too.
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Unread 08-27-2009, 05:16 AM   #20
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of course i do its on the bird now. when i pull that 400 and put the 461 in it will have a lakewood blow proof on it. the bellhousing stays with the 400. dont know if i gots me the balls to do the swap. this poncho mill has less than 2k miles on it and would make that jeep a monster ! my wife would be PISSED i said when i sell that 400 i will take her to CABO. i changed my mind and want to put it in the jeep !
Glutten for punishment aint ya?..lol
You'll just have to come up with another idea to make her even happeir..that's all..lol

As far as the swap,i'd just take some measurments of the YJ engine bay and see just how tight it's gonna be in there with the poncho block.
Of course your gonna have to plan the whole drivetrain too,T/C,driveshafts,differentials and suspension to handle all the gutwrenching torque it produces
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Unread 08-27-2009, 06:10 AM   #21
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It never ceases to amaze me that in a supposed free country that we are told we can't do something like put an older engine in a newer car...wouldn't stop me for a second. They can kiss my arse.
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Ninety nine percent of the employees at inspection stations dont have the knowlege or ability to determine the year of an engine anyway. I would need substantial proof of this alleged law. I have never heard of this being a state law, let alone a federal law.

Heck, based on attrition, I would guess that there are a TON of cars on the road with earlier engines in them. Engine remanufacturers dont keep tabs on the model years of the blocks they work with. Mechanics replacing blown engines dont care either.

I am highly skeptical of this.
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To be honest it is federal law set by the EPA. I am a licensed state inspector in the state of MA. Would I fail it??? Probably not. BUT I just want the OP to understand if he spends the time and money doing this swap and goes to get it inspected...... And the inspector pays attention or is fussy......
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Unread 08-28-2009, 03:21 AM   #24
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My feeling is that it should simply be able to pass the emissions for the year of manufacture. What difference does it make otherwise?
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from what i am hearing from the pontiac crowd is that older cars are exempt (not sure what year it starts...might be state law) AND it only applies to emissions equipment not the "engine block"......
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with the economy being the way it is and the future being very unsure in my industry i am worried about starting such a costly project right now. might have to shelve this one for a while. im lucky that i can still afford to own my 67 firebird and my 87 jeep as well as the spare motor i spent over 3,000.00 on. might have to sell one of the three to pay bills if my situation does not improve !
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with the economy being the way it is and the future being very unsure in my industry i am worried about starting such a costly project right now. might have to shelve this one for a while. im lucky that i can still afford to own my 67 firebird and my 87 jeep as well as the spare motor i spent over 3,000.00 on. might have to sell one of the three to pay bills if my situation does not improve !
Hey PASKS, I feel your pain brother...I had to take a major pay cut at the start of this year & it kills me sometimes not to be able to further proceed at the pace I was previously but, I think my lucky stars I'm still employed & not on the looking side of the equation,Lol. I hope your situation improves. I would like to see your build of this project.



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Unread 08-28-2009, 10:00 AM   #28
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...since the 400 was done in 78...
Just for the record, it was 1979.
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the stroker waiting a cam/valvetrain and installation.

461 stroker picture by PASKS - Photobucket


the 400 that could be a donor for the wrangler !

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Im low on cash !!
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Unread 08-28-2009, 10:39 AM   #30
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Your Firebird is beautiful!!!
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