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Unread 10-10-2007, 09:28 PM   #1
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I learned that you DO need your front trackbar!

So today I was looking at my rig and my front axle is clearly a couple inches out of line with my rear axle. You will not notice right away, but over time larger tires put a huge strain on your steering linkage. The frame of my jeep has begin to move before the tires. I will try and take a video/pictures of what I am talking about in the morning… but take my word for it. Run your daily driver with a front trackbar if you have stock steering linkage.

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Unread 10-10-2007, 09:37 PM   #2
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Thanks I was fixing to pull the front and rear off. Maybe now I'll just pull the rear.
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Unread 10-10-2007, 09:58 PM   #3
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I've had both my front and rear off for about 9 months now... and I can definatly see that the front axle is a good inch or two to the left of the rear axle. My brother actually pointed it out to me.
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Unread 10-10-2007, 10:10 PM   #4
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So today I was looking at my rig and my front axle is clearly a couple inches out of line with my rear axle. You will not notice right away, but over time larger tires put a huge strain on your steering linkage. The frame of my jeep has begin to move before the tires. I will try and take a video/pictures of what I am talking about in the morning… but take my word for it. Run your daily driver with a front trackbar if you have stock steering linkage.
I disagree, as will lots of others who have dialed-in their suspension and steering components.

If a Jeeps suspension, steering, and overall integrity is sound (like mine), folks like me run their rigs for 10+ years (maybe it's 11 years now) with no tracbars, no swaybar, no steering stabilizer, and run them on tough trails without issues like you get with yours.

If you have a suspension and steering system that you've installed that limits you in this area and you can not handle running without those components, that's your choice and you'll have to live or deal with the results.

I, on the other hand have tossed those worthless items in my blue trash can long, long ago, and have no intension to ever reinstall those items since they offer no benifit for us who have addressed their suspension & steering accordingly.

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Unread 10-10-2007, 10:15 PM   #5
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I disagree, as will lots of others who have dialed-in their suspension and steering components.

If a Jeeps suspension, steering, and overall integrity is sound (like mine), folks like me run their rigs for 10+ years (maybe it's 11 years now) with no tracbars, no swaybar, no steering stabilizer, and run them on tough trails without issues like you get with yours.

If you have a suspension and steering system that you've installed that limits you in this area and you can not handle running without those components, that's your choice and you'll have to live or deal with the results.

I, on the other hand have tossed those worthless items in my blue trash can long, long ago, and have no intension to ever reinstall those items since they offer no benifit for us who have addressed their suspension & steering accordingly.

joe, lets be honest, they are good for frame tie ins
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Unread 10-10-2007, 10:32 PM   #6
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joe, lets be honest, they are good for frame tie ins
They do a good job of keeping the trash can upright when the wind blows. Joe when are you doing a party for them this year? Am i invited? ill bring mine.

I dont know how long ive had mine off, maybe 8 months? Joe helped me cut off my rear trac bar, ive noticed no bad side affects yet. And if i do, Joe knows ill be over there, so he can practice his welding and create something for my jeep to fix whatever problems i have ,and will also install his roll cage in my jeep.
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Unread 10-10-2007, 11:16 PM   #7
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So today I was looking at my rig and my front axle is clearly a couple inches out of line with my rear axle. You will not notice right away, but over time larger tires put a huge strain on your steering linkage. The frame of my jeep has begin to move before the tires. I will try and take a video/pictures of what I am talking about in the morning… but take my word for it. Run your daily driver with a front trackbar if you have stock steering linkage.
Yep, that's why they put them on! The trackbar provides lateral location of the axle. I've noticed the same thing when my jeep was parked on my sloped driveway. You'll also notice a big difference when making turns.

My suspension is new, springs, shackles, more booms, tie rod ends. The front end walks. Sure you can take them (trackbar and sway) off and stick em in a trash can but some people like a firm and responsive steering. To say its as responsive with rig with both these items on it is a crock. The only thing you benefit is the 5 minutes it requires to undo them for flex and a tad smoother ride over bumps. I rather have a tight and responsive front end then what I would call a floater
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Unread 10-10-2007, 11:37 PM   #8
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joe, lets be honest, they are good for frame tie ins
Yep, lots of folks have been using them for rollcage frame tie ins. They work real nice in that application.

Here's another example where they work nicely.

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Unread 10-10-2007, 11:42 PM   #9
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Joe when are you doing a party for them this year? Am i invited? ill bring mine.
As a matter of fact.....tomorrow afternoon (~4-5PM) there's a few of us Jeepers headed up to Temecula for a get together. If you're interested, let me know.
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Unread 10-10-2007, 11:48 PM   #10
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As a matter of fact.....tomorrow afternoon (~4-5PM) there's a few of us Jeepers headed up to Temecula for a get together. If you're interested, let me know.
Of course! The day i work! I could call in sick and go with you. You takin the jeep or your new truck? If your takin the truck, can i ride with you? If your takin the jeep, can i ride with you?
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Unread 10-10-2007, 11:57 PM   #11
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I haven't decided which I'll drive. Maybe Sergey's Jeep. It still has both TB's & an antirock though (it's a TJ) so *maybe* we'll be safe.

Seriously, I'll probably drive one of my other cars. Probably my Sebring or Accord.
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Unread 10-10-2007, 11:59 PM   #12
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I haven't decided which I'll drive. Maybe Sergey's Jeep. It still has both TB's & an antirock though (it's a TJ) so *maybe* we'll be safe.

Seriously, I'll probably drive one of my other cars. Probably my Sebring or Accord.

Pfft, ill donate 10 bucks in gas if you take me in your truck, and let me look at the engine.

This is probably PM stuff...
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Unread 10-11-2007, 06:41 AM   #13
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Well, all I can tell ya is that there have been leaf sprung vehicles on American roads for over a hundred years without track bars, and not too many manufacturers have seen fit to install them... and there have been tons of guys who have removed them without consequence...if yer springs are displaced one side to another, check your frame...it's probably bent...
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Unread 10-11-2007, 07:22 AM   #14
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Wow, I've been wheeling mine hard for 8 years now and my axles are still centered.
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Unread 10-11-2007, 07:53 AM   #15
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So today I was looking at my rig and my front axle is clearly a couple inches out of line with my rear axle. You will not notice right away, but over time larger tires put a huge strain on your steering linkage. The frame of my jeep has begin to move before the tires. I will try and take a video/pictures of what I am talking about in the morning… but take my word for it. Run your daily driver with a front trackbar if you have stock steering linkage.
Am I missing something? For your axle to be a couple inches out of line with the rear wouldn't the spring perches and U-bolts have to be in the wrong place? Leaf springs don't flex side to side so how in the world are your springs centered while your axle isn't?
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