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Unread 11-03-2004, 08:23 PM   #1
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I'm looking for some help with swaping my stock tie rods to Heavier Heim joint tie rods. I swapped my stock YJ axles, to D44 axles and now want to upgrade the stock tie rods. The only problem I'm running into is that I'm not sure how connect from the pitman arm to the right knuckle. Just because I only have one hole on that place. Does anyone know how this can be done or know of any good right ups. I've searched everywhere and can't find anything. Thanks ahead of time.

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Unread 11-03-2004, 11:19 PM   #2
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I'm looking for some help with swaping my stock tie rods to Heavier Heim joint tie rods. I swapped my stock YJ axles, to D44 axles and now want to upgrade the stock tie rods. The only problem I'm running into is that I'm not sure how connect from the pitman arm to the right knuckle. Just because I only have one hole on that place. Does anyone know how this can be done or know of any good right ups. I've searched everywhere and can't find anything. Thanks ahead of time.
ummm, i'm confused. you want to connect the pitman arm directly to the tie rod and not the drag link? one hole in what place? the knuckle or the arm?
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Unread 11-04-2004, 08:12 AM   #3
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If you have flat-top knuckles, you can do a hi-steer conversion. If not, you can replace the knuckles for the conversion. If you use one hi-steer arm on the passenger side, the tie-rod remains in the factory position, and the drag-link connects from the pitman arm to the hi-steer arm. If you use two hi-steer arms (one on each knuckle), you can relocate both the tie-rod and the draglink above the knuckles.
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Unread 11-04-2004, 09:23 AM   #4
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heim joints aren't all theyre cracked up to be, unless they're agricultural grade they'll disentigrate as soon as dirt gets into them, you have to make sure that if and when they fail they wont pull off the bolt (some sort of double shear point or a Big washer below the head). tie rods ends actually run at a better angle and are fail safe. hiems are a magazine popularized gimick (as far as steering goes)
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Unread 11-04-2004, 11:08 AM   #5
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heim joints aren't all theyre cracked up to be, unless they're agricultural grade they'll disentigrate as soon as dirt gets into them, you have to make sure that if and when they fail they wont pull off the bolt (some sort of double shear point or a Big washer below the head). tie rods ends actually run at a better angle and are fail safe. hiems are a magazine popularized gimick (as far as steering goes)
speaking as someone who actually runs heims, I have not had a single issue with mine. My heim joints are teflon sealed and have not had any problems to date regarding dirt. The ones you buy at tractor store are junk, and should not be used in a steering application
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Unread 11-04-2004, 05:31 PM   #6
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The joints that I have are heavy 3/4"-16. They are used for Gravity Boxes (farming equipment). They have a teflon insert. It sounds to me that I have to change my knuckles. The D44 knuckles I have only have 1 hole on each knuckle where the tie rod would go. The draglink connects to the tierod, on my particular set up. Is this my only option (to change knuckles) or is there another way that I can do this with the knuckles I have. It would be cheaper for me to just replace the original tierods then change my whole setup. Any other suggestions????
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Unread 11-04-2004, 07:40 PM   #7
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If you have room you can stack the drag link joint on top of the tierod joint on the pass side. use one long bolt to go thru both joints and the arm. I'll look around and see if i can dig up a pic. Also as Tube yj put it if you buy quality joints that are designed for steering and suspension use you’ll have no problems.
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Unread 11-04-2004, 09:21 PM   #8
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I thought about stacking them but I wasn't sure if it would be strong enough, and I wouldn't get the flex from them because they are to close. Are there spacers that you can buy to do this??? Also should I be running these if I plan on driving this as a daily driver 80% of the time??? CJSeven, if you can find your pics I would be very interested to look at them.
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Unread 11-04-2004, 11:06 PM   #9
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Just run the drag link to the tie-rod. Less bind, and simpler to setup.
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Unread 11-05-2004, 05:45 AM   #10
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RideRed how would I attach the drag link to the tie rod??? It is just a tube with a heim joint on both ends. If you have some pics I would be interested.
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Unread 11-05-2004, 08:28 AM   #11
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RideRed how would I attach the drag link to the tie rod??? It is just a tube with a heim joint on both ends. If you have some pics I would be interested.
You would have to run chevy blazer ends, they have a place for a TRE to go. If you want to stick with hiem joints, then you would have to possibly flatten and sleeve a portion of the DOM for the hiem to bolt in.
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Unread 11-07-2004, 10:15 AM   #12
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Here is a few pics and a write up from fourwheeler , the pics are not of mine but of fourwheelers.

http://www.fourwheeler.com/howto/79038/index.html
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Unread 11-07-2004, 10:19 AM   #13
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Here is a few pics and a write up from fourwheeler , the pics are not of mine but of fourwheelers.

http://www.fourwheeler.com/howto/79038/index.html
here is a link that works


I would be worried about the clearence between the drag link and tie rod at full flex
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Unread 11-07-2004, 11:04 AM   #14
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That is the only thing that I would be worried about also, is at full flex binding the two together. I just need to get the spacers and see what happens. I did find a set of flat top knuckles at a local junkyard.

Do all D44 knuckles, fit the D44 axles??? The ones I found are off of a old F250 or 350 I can't quite remember, and mine of course is a Jeep D44. I might pick those up if I can be sure that they fit. If I did get those knuckles, would the steering be easier to set up???
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Unread 11-07-2004, 11:29 AM   #15
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read up on it at this site:
http://77cj.littlekeylime.com/flatop_knucles.html

I used this article to set up the highsteer setup on my YJ w/44 front. I run a wagoneer housing, chevy flattops, chevy spindles, ford hubs, CJ7 rotors, and Chevy Claipers.

here is a pic of my setup, I have never had any issues with binding.

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