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Unread 01-10-2013, 09:56 PM   #751
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See this bracket behind the steering box? Yep, that's where it went stock.





Doesn't matter where you put an aftermarket one on the frame.

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Unread 01-10-2013, 11:39 PM   #752
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As stated, the track bar really is not needed but it's your choice if you want it or not.

Here are the locations.
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Unread 01-11-2013, 01:31 AM   #753
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Thanks for the detailed locations of the bar mounts. When the PO did the frame repair and soa he made some interesting decisions when it came to how modify things. You should have seen the cherokee rear sway bar he had half *** welded in under the front end.

This jeep won't see too much offroad once its back together completely. My next debate is whether or not to buy standard or hd springs stock height springs, cuz the ones on here are starting to bend the other way and I want to get it sitting nice and level before I fab anything.
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Unread 01-11-2013, 01:35 AM   #754
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Ive stated this repeatedly that a track bar does not inherently cause a rough ride. It will bind with a good amount of flex but with the 2 to 4 inches of suspension movement experienced on the road a properly functioning unit will be fine. He is using a new one and will not cause ride issues like the old unmaintaned and frozen units everyone removes. If i thought a trackbar would wreck my ride i wouldnt be using one now.

To the op i have a spring plate with a trackbar bracket incorporated into it that raises the axle end a good amount. Ill send a pic and if you can use it its yours.
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Unread 01-11-2013, 04:01 AM   #755
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The track bar needs to be the same length as your drag link. Otherwise, well you'll see.
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Unread 01-11-2013, 08:00 AM   #756
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It goes in that barrel you wheel out to the street once a week.
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Unread 01-11-2013, 09:34 PM   #757
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Ive stated this repeatedly that a track bar does not inherently cause a rough ride. It will bind with a good amount of flex but with the 2 to 4 inches of suspension movement experienced on the road a properly functioning unit will be fine. He is using a new one and will not cause ride issues like the old unmaintaned and frozen units everyone removes. If i thought a trackbar would wreck my ride i wouldnt be using one now.

To the op i have a spring plate with a trackbar bracket incorporated into it that raises the axle end a good amount. Ill send a pic and if you can use it its yours.
I feel I have to disagree here. Your right in that on-street binding of the trackbar really isn't much. However, it does inherently, by it's design, actually bind at just about all suspension movement besides at rest. Axle goes up, trackbar (located on an angle vs axle plane) transmits force to the frame and/or pushes the axle laterally off center. Same during axle droop, just the other direction. Hit a bump, force travels through the bar and to the frame resulting in a shock that can be felt.

The binding is even more prevalent in a leaf spring design in which the bar acts against the natural ability of the leaf springs themselves to keep the axle located.

But hey, run them if you want. If you feel they work for you then go for it. Im all for people making their Jeeps work they way they want them to. Im quite happy without mine.
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Unread 01-14-2013, 11:38 AM   #758
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I had les schwaubs tell me I needed to put my trac bar back on cause it was contributing to my death wobble
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Unread 01-14-2013, 12:07 PM   #759
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I had les schwaubs tell me I needed to put my trac bar back on cause it was contributing to my death wobble
I work at les Schwab and tell people to ditch them.......hahahaha
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Unread 01-14-2013, 01:58 PM   #760
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I had les schwaubs tell me I needed to put my trac bar back on cause it was contributing to my death wobble
check ball joints, hubs, tie rods, tire wear, leaf spring bushings and everything else for death wobble. a trackbar can mask other loose suspension and steering components. taking it off doesn't cause death wobble but will magnify any other problems you are already having.
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Unread 01-14-2013, 04:57 PM   #761
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I had les schwaubs tell me I needed to put my trac bar back on cause it was contributing to my death wobble
Did 400 miles in my jeep on Sunday. Some of that was rock crawling on level 5 stuff in the rain.

My jeep and its 35s rode 180 miles home with no death wobble and no track bars.

You might have 99 problems but no trackbar ain't one of them.
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Unread 01-14-2013, 09:50 PM   #762
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You might have 99 problems but no trackbar ain't one of them.
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Unread 01-15-2013, 08:23 PM   #763
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I feel I have to disagree here. Your right in that on-street binding of the trackbar really isn't much. However, it does inherently, by it's design, actually bind at just about all suspension movement besides at rest.
Which is it? Im right and wrong?

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Axle goes up, trackbar (located on an angle vs axle plane) transmits force to the frame and/or pushes the axle laterally off center. Same during axle droop, just the other direction. Hit a bump, force travels through the bar and to the frame resulting in a shock that can be felt.

The binding is even more prevalent in a leaf spring design
So you are talking about trackbar bind on all types of suspensions? You were wrong earlier and now this is even more wrong.

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in which the bar acts against the natural ability of the leaf springs themselves to keep the axle located.

But hey, run them if you want. If you feel they work for you then go for it. Im all for people making their Jeeps work they way they want them to. Im quite happy without mine.
Your attempt to educate me is in vain as ive run leaf sprung jeeps without trackbars for decades. What you are forgetting is that there is plenty of play in the system to allow for this "bind" again within the 2-4" of needed travel on the street. i run them now like thousands do, because im on coils and they are absolutely a necessity. i can assure you they dont bind within the range of the 16" of coil travel.

In this post, before it was merged, the OP was seeking advice on using a trackbar and i will help him do so if he chooses. what i wont do is bash him for this choice. i dont use them on my leaf sprung jeeps but ill help him maximize his efforts with a trackbar on his.
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Unread 01-16-2013, 11:18 AM   #764
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I wouldn't bash anyone for wanting to run trackbars. It's your Jeep, so please do as you wish.

Coils vs. leaf springs. Totally different design. Coils don't locate the axle like leafs do. With leafs, they are mounted at 4 locations (per axle) to the frame and to the axle itself. Coils easily allow lateral movement for the trackbar to locate the axle during suspension movement. The bar will still push or pull the axle sideways during compression and rebound. Thats why you relocate the trackbar mounts or run an adjustable bar for lifts. Otherwise the axle will be shifted laterally to the side instead of being centered at rest.

Leaf springs, being mounted to the frame, will fight against the trackbar (also mounted to the frame) during any significant suspension compression or droop. Trackbar tries to push sideways, leaf springs try to keep the axle centered. That's your binding right there.

It's kinda hard to argue when so many remove the trackbars and report much better ride and suspension articulation. I'm talking leaf springs, not coils.
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Unread 01-16-2013, 11:26 AM   #765
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i removed the track bars first... then I installed a 2.5" OME lift and took the sway bar off... no problems at all... going to do the tie rod flip and use new rod ends... i can feel a little bit more roll but nothing that is scary... the flex i recieved and improved off road capabilities are astounding...
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