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Unread 02-24-2009, 01:40 PM   #16
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This thread belongs with the "my wife is a lying, stealing, drug addicted, child beater, cheating whore. Tell me why I should take her back" thread. Just ditch it and move on.

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Unread 02-24-2009, 01:59 PM   #17
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Lol i know and i in theory i would love to ditch it but i still need a good reason as to how to explain to my father and the mechanic as to why the jeep doesnt need it. I under stand that the axle moves in three plains it can go foward backwards up down and side to side. The sway bar keeps it parallel to the frame the leafs keep it centered foward and back and the track bar keeps it centered left to right... correct. I have also heard that the leafs are strong enough to keep it centered left and right so i need someone to explain to me in a way that i can explain to my dad as to why the crap i dont need this thing. Besides limiting flex lol and you really think i would get rid of the sway bar guys i m having a hard enough time getting rid of the track bar lol howeveri have planned for awhile about getting discos lol
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Unread 02-24-2009, 02:25 PM   #18
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the leaf springs are bolted to the axle - they are bolted to the frame, like poster above said, the spring cant move side to side, the shackle to frame mount absorbs the shock -

if it was good enough for CJs to run without them for YEARS

we can run without them (with wider, better springs mind you)

you should know how the government operates, that is the reason we dont have many GREAT foreign vehicles here today (skyline, 240sx SR20det, euro-diesels...etc...etc...etc...) - they caused the same problem with these trac-bars
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Unread 02-24-2009, 02:34 PM   #19
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Lol i know and i in theory i would love to ditch it but i still need a good reason as to how to explain to my father and the mechanic as to why the jeep doesnt need it.
Just tell them that you checked on JF, and the reason is
BECAUSE MEAN MAX SAID SO!!!

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Unread 02-24-2009, 02:39 PM   #20
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Is your dad going to look under the Jeep????? If he knows what a trac bar is and sees it missing, well, burn down his house.....no wait, you still live there. You might just have to wait till your of age to make these decisions on your own. Mebee take him for a ride, with and without??? See what happens. Whatever you do, Don't make Granny buy you an 'adjustable trac bar'.
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Unread 02-24-2009, 03:03 PM   #21
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exactly, do it when no one is watching ---------- and for god's sake IF you take it off --- hide the dern bar when your done (in a GOOD place to hide it!)

bad advice i know!
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Unread 02-24-2009, 08:00 PM   #22
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lol yes he will be looking under there considering he is helping me install my ball joints and he already was under there looking at it so he knows it needs to be addressed come on guys give me a good way to explain it i think i have one figured out but help please
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Unread 02-24-2009, 10:21 PM   #23
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lol mean max i know i know this has been beaten into the ground im just super cautious on this front one. I do have to replace my ball joints, tie rods, steering Column and i need to buy a steering dampener since the one on the jeep is still the stock one and has zero oil left in it thanks to the PO!!. I did notice when i got under it and turned the wheels that the bracket they sold with the procomp lift to raise up the track bar moves quite a bit when i turn right or left is that normal??? the only reason i ask is why is my axle moving from side to side like a half an inch if the track bar is still implace Isnt the purpose of the track bar to keep the axle centered under the vehicle. And also say im on the high way and have to swerve fast will I experience over steer with it off. Like from the axle moving and then turning???
Are you saying your axle moves side to side, or the bracket moves? The bracket probably just needs tightened up, but if your axle is moving side to side, then you've got bigger problems.
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Unread 02-24-2009, 10:31 PM   #24
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1. If the relocation bracket is loose, then it's not doing anything anyway... might as well just take the bar off.

2. Leaf springs don't need track bars. Besides, lift springs are stiffer and better able to keep the axle centered than the stock springs, so the track bar is now redundant (not in a good way).
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Unread 02-25-2009, 12:42 AM   #25
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Are you saying your axle moves side to side, or the bracket moves? The bracket probably just needs tightened up, but if your axle is moving side to side, then you've got bigger problems.
i mean the bracket sorry about that. Well i think i have him convinced he said we will fix everything else and then see if we still need it or not... he still is kinda iffy about it he is wondering if it will cause more stress on other parts if i take it off and we both know as of rite now it is causing more stress but thats because its not on there rite because of the lift
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Unread 02-25-2009, 02:39 AM   #26
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the bolt for my track bar fell out in my drive way and i over looked where it came from. and like a month later i finally found where it came from. so pretty much mine came undone and i never even noticed the difference.
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Unread 02-25-2009, 03:30 AM   #27
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My front sway bar just stopped fitting recently on account of getting proper sized shackles for my 3.5" lift. I too was a bit questionable about removing it but so far Ive not noticed darn near difference, short of not having my axle cranked over an inch because of the track bar being too short (no relocation bracket). Ive even taken it for drives late at night when no one is on the freeway and given it a few good swerves, just to make sure Its not going to get me killed in a emergency situation. The steering was just as slow and jello like as per usual of a yj, but it still kept going the way I pointed it. If it makes your life easier just get the hardware to make it removable without a wrench. Otherwise Ive found for 90% freeway on-road driving just a sway bar is plenty.
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Unread 02-25-2009, 07:41 PM   #28
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i mean the bracket sorry about that. Well i think i have him convinced he said we will fix everything else and then see if we still need it or not... he still is kinda iffy about it he is wondering if it will cause more stress on other parts if i take it off and we both know as of rite now it is causing more stress but thats because its not on there rite because of the lift
Thats good!

Mine came undone like brian's did, I was under there one dayand just noticed the bolt on the axle was gone. It had already rubbed a clean spot on the steering stabilizer,so it had been off for a while, I just couldn't tell.
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Unread 02-25-2009, 07:56 PM   #29
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It's a trade off.

Removing it will improve your flex and crawing, reduce your cornering stability on the highway

One thing to keep in mind, though, is that this stuff cost the company good money, and if their engineers did not feel it was significant, it wouldn't be there. period.

[and yes the CJ had a problem with rollovers -- largely due to people driving them like cars --]
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Unread 02-25-2009, 08:08 PM   #30
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OP.. do this... Tell Dad you want them off, Have him take a drive in the Jeep with the trac bars off and on but make sure he doesn't know if they're on or not. You know ,like a blindfold taste test. See if he notices any difference and make him tell you which ride had the trac bars on. If he can't tell or likes the trac bar off ride, You Win! I get a much better ride without them. I will say that the swaybar should stay installed for the road though.
My son( burnerboy) just bought his 1st Jeep. His trac bars will be right next to mine in the garage. The swaybar stays (with disconnects).!
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