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Unread 04-12-2013, 12:45 PM   #16
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With all new components and an oscillation at the wheels, the damper fixed the problem.... no more oscillation. In what way does the DW still exist if the oscillation is gone? The SS is an engineered part of the system, the designers added it because it was needed. The DW is gone, it is not hidden, it is taken care of by the design of the system. We live in an imperfect world so even with all new components the SS is still needed to make up for that imperfection.

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Unread 04-12-2013, 12:53 PM   #17
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With all new components and an oscillation at the wheels, the damper fixed the problem.... no more oscillation. In what way does the DW still exist if the oscillation is gone? The SS is an engineered part of the system, the designers added it because it was needed. The DW is gone, it is not hidden
Its not gone, you just can't feel it. Theres still a loose end somewhere. And it wasn't added because it was needed, you can drive without an SS.
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Unread 04-12-2013, 01:13 PM   #18
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Its not gone, you just can't feel it. Theres still a loose end somewhere. And it wasn't added because it was needed, you can drive without an SS.
Agreed. It's not gone. Your front end is messed up somewhere. The SS is like track bars with leaf springs USELESS!!!!
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Unread 04-12-2013, 02:41 PM   #19
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If it is only doing it in the small speed range the first thing you should do is have your tires balanced. In YJ's that more often than not is the cause. It is rare for our leaf sprung YJ's to get real death wobble. As Squishy said our YJ's dont need an SS I havent had one on in 2 years. I also have no track bars and I dont run a sway bar. It is most likely your tires being out of balance.
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Unread 04-12-2013, 02:52 PM   #20
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When I first got my 99 tj it had a DW when I hit bumps at higher speeds. I thought it was the tires and balance. Got new tires and that helped. But the DW came back. I noticed the stirring shock was leaking. After replacing that the DW was gone. So if the shock has any oil leaking out of it it is not cushioning any blows ie causing it to wobble. Let me know wat it looks like
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Unread 04-12-2013, 02:55 PM   #21
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When I first got my 99 tj it had a DW when I hit bumps at higher speeds. I thought it was the tires and balance. Got new tires and that helped. But the DW came back. I noticed the stirring shock was leaking. After replacing that the DW was gone. So if the shock has any oil leaking out of it it is not cushioning any blows ie causing it to wobble. Let me know wat it looks like
You have a Coil sprung TJ he has a leaf sprung YJ. Big Big difference there. Also changing the Steering Stabilizer did not fix your death wobble. It covered it up. It will come back when it destroys your SS again.
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Unread 04-12-2013, 03:27 PM   #22
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True didn't think about that. I was just trying to help. And I replaced my ss almost two years ago and just drove from fl to Cali with still no issues. Something has to be workin.
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Unread 04-12-2013, 03:39 PM   #23
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Just like shocks dampen the bumps in the road.... because your suspension is actually messed up and the shocks just mask it. I know what worked to fix mine... I thought I could leave it out, based on what I had read in various forums, and be great with all new components. So I tried it and found it would oscillate quite a bit.
In my rebuild I replaced the entire steering linkage, ball joints, etc. and had the alignment checked, tires ballanced, and had an oscillation when I first got it out on the road without the SS. I put in the SS and the problem went away. If you say it masks it, then I agree in the sense that masking it equates to stopping the DW oscillation from starting. The SS is a designed part of the system, which was engineered as a whole working unit. Remove a piece and it may work for some, but not for others depending on cumulative in/out tolerences of the system.

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Unread 04-12-2013, 03:43 PM   #24
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im willing to bet its tierod or drag link ends.
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Unread 04-12-2013, 03:44 PM   #25
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Two more options I haven't seen mentioned here yet;

1. Get your tires balanced. I got mad DW one time, in the same speed range you mentioned, on my TJ when my tires got really out of balance. They were getting pretty bald and I had somehow lost a balancing weight. Getting them balanced fixed it.

2. Jack up your front end a few inches (just enough to get your tires off the ground) and grab the tire at 12 o'clock and 6 o'clock and give it a good shake. Really work it. It shouldn't move at all. If it does, you have blown up ball joints which can also cause DW (another personal experience I had.)

I'm far less knowledgeable than most of the pro's on here, but I never see anyone suggest the above in DW threads, and in both my DW cases, those were the problems so at least I can speak from experience.

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Unread 04-12-2013, 03:46 PM   #26
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Just like shocks dampen the bumps in the road.... because your suspension is actually messed up and the shocks just mask it. I know what worked to fix mine... I thought I could leave it out, based on what I had read in various forums, and be great with all new components. So I tried it and found it would oscillate quite a bit.
In my rebuild I replaced the entire steering linkage, ball joints, etc. and had the alignment checked, tires ballanced, and had an oscillation when I first got it out on the road without the SS. I put in the SS and the problem went away. If you say it masks it, then I agree in the sense that masking it equates to stopping the DW oscillation from starting. The SS is a designed part of the system, which was engineered as a whole working unit. Remove a piece and it may work for some, but not for others depending on cumulative in/out tolerences of the system.

-I am not trying to argue, we are all trying to help accomplish the same goal to help the OP
if you'd really like to get technical about the purpose of a shock in your suspension vs a steering stabilizer we can but that would mean an extreme thread derail. shocks and steering stabilizers are not built the same nor do they serve the same purpose. they may look the same on the outside, but inside they are very different.
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my on board alternator/welder write up
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my tj 1/2 doors on a yj write up
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RC vs BDS
[url]http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f12/rough-country-vs-bds-1461555/[/url]
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Unread 04-12-2013, 03:48 PM   #27
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I'm far less knowledgeable than most of the pro's on here, but I never see anyone suggest the above in DW threads, and in both my DW cases, those were the problems so at least I can speak from experience.

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1997 ZJ limited - BONE stock
2003 tj - 4in skyjacker, 33" mickey thompsons
my on board alternator/welder write up
[url]http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f12/alternator-welder-write-up-1301614/[/url]
my tj 1/2 doors on a yj write up
[url]http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f12/tj-uppers-yj-half-doors-hard-top-installation-1417686/[/url]
RC vs BDS
[url]http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f12/rough-country-vs-bds-1461555/[/url]
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Unread 04-12-2013, 03:50 PM   #28
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Ya vary true. Sorry man. Hope mine holds till I rebuild it. Btw I used to live in jax before I moved out here. Small world.
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Unread 04-12-2013, 04:03 PM   #29
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if you'd really like to get technical about the purpose of a shock in your suspension vs a steering stabilizer we can but that would mean an extreme thread derail. shocks and steering stabilizers are not built the same nor do they serve the same purpose. they may look the same on the outside, but inside they are very different.
I know the many differences.... You didn't get my point. -done with this.... Good luck to the OP.
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Unread 04-12-2013, 06:07 PM   #30
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if you'd really like to get technical about the purpose of a shock in your suspension vs a steering stabilizer we can but that would mean an extreme thread derail. shocks and steering stabilizers are not built the same nor do they serve the same purpose. they may look the same on the outside, but inside they are very different.
Exactly Ripper your one smart cookie. ..

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[QUOTE=ldso;16498409]. It started with a $200 axle, and a few thousand dollars later I was done :)[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Luuca;16122017]diagnose the real issue before you start going all Obama on it - spending mad cash you'll need for other important things.

Ask me how I know...[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Overhead;17658665]this is also my second set of RC springs this year. I'd rather spend the money again and get something that will last.[/QUOTE]
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