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post #1 of 15 Old 07-04-2013, 07:54 PM Thread Starter
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dead battery symptoms

I have a 95 wrangler with a 2.5l automatic(worst setup ever!) Anyway today I went to go start it and it felt like the battery was dead, clicked but wouldn't start. I went to go jump it and everytime I hooked up the positive battery terminal it would just spark, I finally got it to stop sparking but after about 10 seconds it started to smoke on my other car and ended up melting the positive terminal! I tried looking around the f.a.q. but came up dry. Any ideas fellow jeepsters?

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post #2 of 15 Old 07-04-2013, 08:11 PM
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Smack your starter with a hammer and try to start it.

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post #3 of 15 Old 07-04-2013, 09:56 PM
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Yeah, hammers are a life saver.
It might be time for a new starter soon.

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post #4 of 15 Old 07-04-2013, 10:53 PM Thread Starter
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I figured that but had no tools laying around Everything is at my garage, I'll try it out tomorrow! Thanks guys
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post #5 of 15 Old 07-05-2013, 08:18 AM
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put it in 3rd... roll it down a hill for a bit with the clutch in... turn the key to on... let clutch out... engine should be running... drive to where the tools/starter are and replace

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post #6 of 15 Old 07-05-2013, 08:38 AM
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put it in 3rd... roll it down a hill for a bit with the clutch in... turn the key to on... let clutch out... engine should be running... drive to where the tools/starter are and replace

You must have missed that spot where he said it was an auto No rolling starts for this guy.
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post #7 of 15 Old 07-05-2013, 11:51 AM
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You must have missed that spot where he said it was an auto No rolling starts for this guy.
yep did miss that it was an auto... And yes... cant roll start an auto

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post #8 of 15 Old 07-14-2013, 07:43 PM
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And yes... cant roll start an auto
Well, now, that's not ENTIRELY true. Used to do it to my mom's '79 Monza all the time. The starter would go out every 6 months.

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post #9 of 15 Old 07-14-2013, 08:12 PM
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Well, now, that's not ENTIRELY true. Used to do it to my mom's '79 Monza all the time. The starter would go out every 6 months.
I have heard of this two but I have never tried and it was just hearsay. Do you have an exact method?

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post #10 of 15 Old 07-14-2013, 09:27 PM
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Ummm I think y'all are missing the big picture. If it is sparking and smoking the cable then you either have the cables backward or you have a giant direct short. If you have a direct shirt and do manage to start it it's not going to be a good day. You need to inspect all your cable to make sure they haven't worn a hole and touching bare metal.
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post #11 of 15 Old 07-15-2013, 08:28 AM
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Try to crank it with your head lights on.. if they go dim or out your battery is dead. If they stay bright or dim just a little then you have a starter/starter ciruit issue.

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post #12 of 15 Old 07-15-2013, 04:02 PM
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yep did miss that it was an auto... And yes... cant roll start an auto
Yes you can.. I have done it a few time in the past. You need to get a push up to about 30mph. A automatic will start from a push.

Mind you it was many years ago when cars were built strong. Bumpers did not crush from looking at them and most people did not mind giving a push.

Cars had points and condensors, spark plugs lasted 3 to 4000 miles, at 5000 miles you were overdue for a tune up. 100,000 miles on a car was ready for the crusher. All motorcycles were kick start. Oh the good times!
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post #13 of 15 Old 07-15-2013, 09:51 PM
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Can I hijack? I have a very similar issue. Started having a few issues after a serious wheeling trip. Starter was whining pretty bad. Replaced the battery as it indicated it was d-e-a-d. Now when I try to start it, I have lights, but it just clicks. CB and radio flash and chatter when I try to start it and my son said some sparks were coming from the positive lead of the battery. I'm thinking starter relay. Right path?

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post #14 of 15 Old 07-16-2013, 05:02 AM
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Not sure if this applies to the OP, but I found my issue. The "S" wire of the starter solenoid was bad. One of the wire looms was resting on it, causing a wear in the insulation and a bad short.

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post #15 of 15 Old 07-16-2013, 07:41 AM
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First thing I would do is try taking the battery completely out of the vehicle and charging it that way, even if you have to do it by jumping from another vehicle. If it still sparks in a *big* way when its out of the vehicle, that means 2 things: either the battery is really drained, or it has an internal short.

As far as sparking like that while inside the vehicle, I always look for large shorts in the starting or charging circuit. Especially check the diodes in the alternator. I had an internal short in the alt nearly burned down my car way back when I was in college. Now I know that an alt can pull a *lot* of juice if its bad.

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