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post #1 of 25 Old 10-28-2014, 02:24 PM Thread Starter
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Dana 44 question???

While I know that there are opposing opinions regarding the Dana 44 vs. the Ford 8.8, and my original plan was to go with the 8.8 in preparation for an engine swap down the road. I have a line on a Dana 44 rear end out of a 74 Waggy for $75. Now before anyone asks, no I haven't seen it yet, not sure what gears, or condition. I'm going to look at it tonight or tomorrow to see if it is going to be worth swapping out my old tired tirdythree...
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1. How far off are the spring perches? Am I going to have to relocate?
2. How difficult will it be to upgrade to disk breaks, can it be done on this axel?

While I still have some research to do, I was hoping that someone maybe able to help shed some light on on this for me.
Currently my 94 YJ is my DD, mostly stock with the exception of sitting on a set of 32" Falkland Rocky Mountains and a 4" rough country lift.
3.07 gears for now, looking at 3.73 or 4.10s when I swap axels and go to the V8.

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post #2 of 25 Old 10-28-2014, 07:36 PM
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That 44 will need a gear change. With a 8.8 you can find any gears just about that you will need.
To me that is a real big bonus and reason #1 to get a 8.8.
But if you swapping gears in both diffs then its a moot point and the 44 is a good axle
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post #3 of 25 Old 10-29-2014, 06:52 AM
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Does the 44 match your front axle wheel stud spacing? If not, you'll have to address it somehow...
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post #4 of 25 Old 10-29-2014, 08:12 AM
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Check the bolt pattern on the 44, you're almost certainly going to have to run adaptors back to 5x4.5 or get a different set of wheels. In your situation where you plan on regearing and doing a V8 swap, I would suggest finding a donor vehicle and taking both front and rear axles. Something like a 44/60 combo. It may sound like overkill, and to some extent it is, but rather than regearing the rear, matching the bolt pattern, then pouring money into the front to make it hold the new engine, I would grab a full size set of axles and just run with it. Shoot, that's what I should have done anyway...

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Honestly I've been looking for a full donor vehicle that would provide everything I need, but cash flow is not what it used to be.... I was originally looking for an explorer, so I could get everything from the 8.8 w/disks, 5.0 and all needed electronics / etc. but this D44 kinda fell into my lap, one of those friend of a friend deals, and well it's only $75... Still not sure if I'm gonna go for it, just looking at options before going the wrong direction

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Honestly I've been looking for a full donor vehicle that would provide everything I need, but cash flow is not what it used to be.... I was originally looking for an explorer, so I could get everything from the 8.8 w/disks, 5.0 and all needed electronics / etc. but this D44 kinda fell into my lap, one of those friend of a friend deals, and well it's only $75... Still not sure if I'm gonna go for it, just looking at options before going the wrong direction Sent from my iPad using JeepForum
Your gonna need 2 wheels or custom shafts since the waggys are 6 on 5.5 So plan on 2 spare tires. You'll have todo the same amount of work to get either installed in your jeep. And disk on a d44 are gonna set ya back more money.

Imo 8.8 would be a better deal cause same bolt pattern so you won't need custom shafts or different wheels. And it already has disk.

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Ok so the $75 D44 was a bust... Pumkin was cracked in three places and it turned out it wasn't from a Waggy.. Regardless looks like I'm back in the market for either a 95-01 Explorer with the 5.0 or its time to start looking at a SBC swap... With who knows what under the rear end....

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I just wanted to add a comment to the original question:

As far as I can tell, people choose the Ford 8.8 over the Dana 44 because of availability and price. Ford 8.8s are more plentiful which drives down junkyard prices, whereas Dana 44s are more rare.

If you check out ECGS, you can choose either, but the Dana 44 is much more expensive than the Ford 8.8.
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I would take a 8.8 over a 44 any day. Well, rear axle that is.

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I would take a 8.8 over a 44 any day. Well, rear axle that is.
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With 32's you'll probably get by just fine on the stock axle. That's the same exact tire size, gear combo I had on mine. It worked well enough. Unless you are really just wanting to upgrade for the sake of doing it. It's not cheap though.

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Not sure if I said it before, but the main reason I want to swap the rear out is for a V8 conversion either at the same time or near future...

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a free axle or dirt cheap axle is probably the absolute worst reason to do a swap. you will end up spending 3x what you would on an 8.8


an 8.8 for a budget minded wheeler is the only option. sambe bolt pattern, works great to 35s, can utilize the front diff still and be swapped and running in an afternoon. you can find it in 4.10 and a lot of other common stock jeep gear ratios to not worry about a gear swap. buy a stock 4cyl front diff and you have 4.10s and its decent with 35s. i've done it, you can't do it cheaper unless you are using inferior parts/components (like hacking off old mounts and reusing them, no lockers etc)
strengthwise, the 8.8 have bigger axleshafts than a d60 (stock) weak links are the carrier and housing which are easily fixed by welding and installing a locker.
my whole cost (up here in canada to don't forget)
200$ for diff with 4.10s and discs
300$ locker
50$ open carrier
50$ new brakes
150$ ruffstuff swap kit
850$ approximately and I have a locked and ready to go 8.8. thats pretty cheap .
nothing beats an 8.8 for 'swapped in cost' seems to be a lot of threads on these 'cheap D44s' and frankly they are a waste of time. in the rear OR the front. but thats another discussion.

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I don't know why people are implying Dana 44s are rare, they're one of the most common axles out there having been in use from the 1940's and still being put into vehicles today. You can find dozens of them (front and rear) in pretty much any junkyard in the US.

My experience with full size GM 4x4 trucks proved to me that the D44 is extremely cost efficient, adaptable, and very strong.

The 8.8 seems better in general for Wranglers, but lets not sell the venerable D44 short. If you can get a good one for cheap then go for it.
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a free axle or dirt cheap axle is probably the absolute worst reason to do a swap. you will end up spending 3x what you would on an 8.8 an 8.8 for a budget minded wheeler is the only option. sambe bolt pattern, works great to 35s, can utilize the front diff still and be swapped and running in an afternoon. you can find it in 4.10 and a lot of other common stock jeep gear ratios to not worry about a gear swap. buy a stock 4cyl front diff and you have 4.10s and its decent with 35s. i've done it, you can't do it cheaper unless you are using inferior parts/components (like hacking off old mounts and reusing them, no lockers etc) strengthwise, the 8.8 have bigger axleshafts than a d60 (stock) weak links are the carrier and housing which are easily fixed by welding and installing a locker. my whole cost (up here in canada to don't forget) 200$ for diff with 4.10s and discs 300$ locker 50$ open carrier 50$ new brakes 150$ ruffstuff swap kit 850$ approximately and I have a locked and ready to go 8.8. thats pretty cheap . nothing beats an 8.8 for 'swapped in cost' seems to be a lot of threads on these 'cheap D44s' and frankly they are a waste of time. in the rear OR the front. but thats another discussion.
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