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Unread 12-12-2006, 02:53 PM   #1
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cost of repair,ax-5

I need to replace syncro's .yea ax-5 3rd gear

How much would parts be if I did it myself?





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Unread 12-12-2006, 04:09 PM   #2
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i belive you will have to rebuild it not sure just a guess i know my ax-5 just went out and im putting the money into a np435. if it was me i would not spend money on the ax5. just my 2 cent
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Unread 12-12-2006, 04:54 PM   #3
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My friend got ripped of really bad and got has ax-5 rebuilt for $3000
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Unread 12-12-2006, 05:30 PM   #4
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I need to replace syncro's .yea ax-5 3rd gear

How much would parts be if I did it myself?



I just put all new bearings and synchros in my AX15, the kit was $179.99 about 3 months ago. I had the help of an actual tranny repairman so I felt confident in doing it. If you have done this before it will not be that complicated, if not, well it depends on how mechanically inclined you are, of course you own a jeep so you have some intelligence
Not sure if the 5 is like the 15 but mine really only needed the synchro for 3rd gear as well, but the reason it went out was due to a missed shift, someone went for 5th and got 3rd . Anyway, if you just replace that 3rd gear synchro it is less than 20 bucks.
I decide to do the whole kit since the tranny has to come out.
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Unread 12-12-2006, 07:14 PM   #5
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thats great news weekender1969 because I have about $ 200.00 to work with.
I didn't know they had a kit, was that dealer or aftermarket?

I have a friend who is a mechanic who is going to help me.
he has the layout for the ax-5.

I guess I 'm pullin the tranny tomorrow

thanks
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Unread 12-12-2006, 08:43 PM   #6
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thats great news weekender1969 because I have about $ 200.00 to work with.
I didn't know they had a kit, was that dealer or aftermarket?

I have a friend who is a mechanic who is going to help me.
he has the layout for the ax-5.

I guess I 'm pullin the tranny tomorrow

thanks
kenny
Not sure if it was dealer or aftermarket, my cousin owns a tranny shop and he got it for me and let me use his shop to do it, even supplied a mechanic to help. The tranny's are pretty much the same thing as I understand it, (AX5 vs AX15). The difference is there but it is in the sizes of things, overall layout is the same. The AX-5 is a lot more common though so you may get it cheaper.

Here is a place that has a lot of tranny parts for these things http://www.drivetrain.com/aisinwarerAX4_AX5_AX15.html their prices are not the best but their info is top notch.
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Unread 12-12-2006, 09:06 PM   #7
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Found this on another thread... might be worth a try...


Border Parts Drive Train Components
Spring Valley, CA
Phone (800) 533.0171 or (619) 461-0171
Supplies transmission and transfer case parts for NAPCO's, among other things.

this place would sell spicer gears for 149 for front or for rear. compare there shipping rates with quadratec might save you some $$$
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Unread 12-12-2006, 10:19 PM   #8
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thanks for the info,well appreciated.


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Unread 12-12-2006, 11:59 PM   #9
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I have been in the same situation twice now with my AX-5s. The vent is in the shifter boot, so water splashes up there and I ended up with water in my tranny constantly. I made sure it is sealed up from water now.

What I have been doing is getting used trannys and swaping them instead.
Payed 200 CAD first time (included transfer case and Rear DS) and second time was 130 CAD (included a CPS still attached to the bellhousing)

Just another option, not for all however- just make sure water can't get in your tranny from the shifter!
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Unread 12-13-2006, 09:23 AM   #10
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STP743 the reason I'm rebuilding rather than buying another is so I don't get another with the same problem.

yes they are notorious for problems but if I rebuild her myself
I truely know what has and has not been done to it.
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Unread 12-13-2006, 02:16 PM   #11
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ok heres what i got so far.


If I'm missing something let me know.

synchro's
1st an 2nd $16.50
3rd thru 5th $16.50
master overhaul kit approx $169.99
springs (2) 6.00
gasket package 9.00

what I got this far is $216.95 thats not counting shipping or fluids.

I just want to do this one time ,
thats why I added the over haul kit
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Unread 12-13-2006, 04:50 PM   #12
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That seems like a complete list now, but what seems like a small job with the ax-5 usually ends up costing over 1k because of the damage that they cause upon themselves. If I had the option to do it again I would swap in something else.
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Unread 12-13-2006, 05:41 PM   #13
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Quote:
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ok heres what i got so far.


If I'm missing something let me know.

synchro's
1st an 2nd $16.50
3rd thru 5th $16.50
master overhaul kit approx $169.99
springs (2) 6.00
gasket package 9.00

what I got this far is $216.95 thats not counting shipping or fluids.

I just want to do this one time ,
thats why I added the over haul kit
If you know the history of the tranny that should do it, maybe keep your mind open to a few more things though. The 3rd gear problem I had was due to missing 5th and getting 3rd, sheared the dogs off the slider for 3rd and 4th. You may want to add that slider to the list. Also if you or someone in the past has the habit of resting your hand on the shifter while driving, you may want to look at shifting forks. These are things that you should be able to get from a local dealer but they may not be in stock.

I have an AX15 but once I got into it I ended up replaceing the slider and shift fork for 3rd and 4th. If my memory serves me correct the shift fork was around 14 bucks and the slider was like 10. I am guessing these are common parts to get cause the dealer actually had them in stock, imagine that.

I was fortunate enough to have not done any damage to the gear, if you have teeth ground down on the gear that will get expensive. The gears can cost as much as $189 a piece .

This will be a learning experience for ya. Be careful rolling the thing around as there are parts that can fall out and figureing out where they belong is a little mind boggling even with diagrams. I was fortunate enough to have a tranny mechanic on hand for this, actually he did most of it and I watched.

As for the fluids, it was reccomended by this fella to run it with 80W for about 3,000 miles and then switch to mobil 1 synthetic 75w90. He said that I would not have to worry about tearing down that tranny for years if I changed the lube about every 25,000 with the Mobil one synthetic after that.

I think 25,000 miles on a tranny oil change is a bit frequent but it is very easy to do so I may do it just to avoid this in the future, though I will probably stretch to 30,000 so it coincides with regular engine oil changes.

Good luck with man, let us know how it works out for ya.
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