post #1 of Old 07-27-2012, 06:55 AM Thread Starter
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Clutch Problem

I was driving this morning and pulled into my parking lot at work. When I stopped I noticed I could no longer find a gear and my clutch pedal moves freely as if there is no resitance to it at all. When the engine if off I can shift to any gear but not when its on. There is not a burned clutch smell or anything like that. Any ideas?


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post #2 of Old 07-27-2012, 07:34 AM
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Check the fluid in the clutch Master cylinder. Right next to brake booster under the hood.
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post #3 of Old 07-27-2012, 10:24 AM Thread Starter
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I will check that out thanks for the advice

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post #4 of Old 07-27-2012, 11:47 AM
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Do you see any leaks under the trans between the engine block and bell housing?
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post #5 of Old 07-27-2012, 12:51 PM Thread Starter
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No but when I took the cap off of the master cylinder it seems like its dry. I also noticed something else. under the Jeep the line that comes from the master cylinder and goes into the tranny is loose. i can grab it and pull it out about an inch but not all the way out.

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post #6 of Old 07-27-2012, 12:57 PM
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Fill the cly and bleed it down at the trans. See if the pedal comes back, but make sure you keep an eye on the MC so it doesn't go dry again while you're bleeding it.
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Well I just filled the mc and immediately the clutch became operational however it needs to be bled. If i can just find where the bleeder valve is.

I also took a photo of the piece that is loose on the tranny if anyone has any idea what it is.



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post #8 of Old 07-28-2012, 01:21 PM
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Yes, there is motion there, it means nothing really. There is supposed to be a rubber grommet there, but it's not vital.

So of course now, you have something to consider--that fluid didn't just evaporate, you have a leak somewhere in the clutch hydraulic system. If it was from the master, you will see that fluid has leaked down the INSIDE of your firewall where the MC rod comes thru to attatch to your pedal. If it was from the dreaded internal slave, it will be dripping out of your bellhousing.
Easy to replace the master cyl, but generally if that was the problem component, the internal slave will die shortly thereafter. Generally I recommend replacing both at the same time, but it is troublesome to replace the internal slave since you have to pull the tranny, so count on doing everything you can think of while you have it apart like new clutch, pressure plate, etc, and since you have the 2.5L it's a good time to replace the rear main seal which on your engine requires the transmission to be out.
If you do replace the internal slave, don't go with aftermarket, go with OEM even if you have to go to the dealership and pay more. There is a glut of threads on here over the years with tales of woe about new internal slave that are defective out of the box, some folks have done this twice in a row and finally the 3rd time they pull their trans, they go OEM. Of course, there will be those who will chime in and tell you "I got a discount internal slave for $23 and it's been going fine for _________ " (enter long duration of time, or obscenely large amt of miles here).

They just got lucky. It's not the norm.



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I appreciate the advice. now I just need to find where the bleeder is.

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On your AX5, it should be poking out the front---wait, DUH, I meant out the back on the opposite side of the bellhousing. Kinda looks like this:



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looking at the 2 pics I posted out looks like the pic you have.

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Look at this pic that I found. That is were it should be. Passengers side up toward the top of the bell housing. Listen to Opihi59, he helped me out with a tranny issue. Go OEM. It's not fun pulling a trans. Heavy and you'll want to do it right the first time. Like he said,.if you're going to pull the trans to replace the slave, replace the clutch, pressure plate pilot bearing, input shaft seal and rear main seal and you should have the flywheel resurfaced while you're at it, but there are many that will disagree with me on this. If it's not grooved you can just smooth it up with some emery cloth.

BTW Opihi59, my trans is working perfect. Thanks for the help.
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thanks for the pic. believe me if it's one thing I will do is trust you guys. I'm not a good mechanic and rather listen to someone who has been there before.

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thanks for the pic. believe me if it's one thing I will do is trust you guys. I'm not a good mechanic and rather listen to someone who has been there before.
We'll try to steer you right, there are a lot of very talented Jeepers here on this forum, they all seem willing to help out and are not critical.

Regarding the flywheel resurfacing, the FSM directs to replace the flywheel rather than resurface it. That being said, I resurface once, then will buy new. I've never had to replace 2 clutches on the same vehicle though, except for a 74 Chevy Vega but that is another story...........clutch eating POS......

I found that it practically costs as much to get one resurfaced as it did to buy a new one at Checker/O'Reilley's though last one I did.

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What happened to me is that the bleed valve flops around when the Jeep is running .When you are clutching it the pressure and fluid bleeds out so that is why you don't see any fluid on the ground.What happened is the rubber isulator boot comes out /off letting the line to move.It looks like yours is gone.
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