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Old 02-21-2009, 03:38 PM   #1
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bulb ok dash indicator ok turn signal not ok

My Right turn signal won't flash, but the dash indicator is clicking and flashing, the left works fine, so I don't think it's the relay, and it's not the bulb because the light stays on (it's the same as the rear 'driving' light bulb) it just doesn't flash, nor with the hazzards. So I'm guessing it's the wiring, and I believe near the connector (previous mechanic cut all those wires when I had him replace the multi switch - but he reconnected them just before the connecter w/ elec tape). Can anyone send me a guide for what color in the one side goes to what color in the receiving connector. And possibly what each goes to. I had it at one time but can't find it. And I have a Haynes but I'm not good w/ the electrical diagrams and can't figure out if they even have that harness pin connector in there.

An addition to this note - That right rear light also doesn't work with the brakes. So only works w/ running lights - so maby isn't that connector / pins. There is one wire that has been taken out of the connector, it's a blue w/ black stripe and is directly connected to a white wire. Looks like the connection is good, just not going through the connector w/ pins. Does this make a difference?

More information... The left rear turn signal only works if I DON'T have the running lights on. URRRR!!! Not sure if this makes a difference as I didn't check them prior - I just did the CRT HEI and removed the ignition module. But I can't imagine that would make a difference. Also, I read through many threads that said to check the ground wires - I checked and they're ok. Help? I'll try anthing.

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Old 02-21-2009, 06:24 PM   #2
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check this out...

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Old 02-21-2009, 09:38 PM   #3
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pin connections?

Thanks RRISHER, but still need help. That file is great, but it's like reading the electrical in Haynes for me. I simply don't understand a lot of it.

Does anyone have any ideas on my issue?

Right read blinker doesn't work - Right rear hazzard doesn't work - indicator works (with clicking sound). Right rear running light (same bulb) does work - so not the bulb. Checked ground - ok.

Anyone suggestions? Does anyone have the connecter color to color? I have till end of Feb to take this to emission control here - and they will not pass it if turn signal doesn't work.

Anyone - help? Thanks!!!!!
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Old 02-21-2009, 09:42 PM   #4
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It sounds like a bad flasher module... I'd check that
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Old 02-21-2009, 09:48 PM   #5
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Dual filament bulb. Running light on one filament, blinker/brake light on the other.

Running lights would still work but no turn signal/brake light. Change the bulb.


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Old 02-21-2009, 09:58 PM   #6
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don't think its the bulb

Since the left blinkers worked, I took the bulb out of the left and put it in the right - and vice vs. Not the bulb, the left did not work in the right but the right worked fine when I put it in the left. I think it has to be the wiring. But where does the break tie into the turn signals?

And RRisher, from what I've read, if the flasher module was bad, wouldn't both (Left and Right) be bad? And by flasher module are you talking about the relay on the fuse panel?

Thanks for all input

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Old 02-21-2009, 10:07 PM   #7
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For the $1 it costs to buy a Flasher try it. Mine did it after I replaced a bulb. I put in a new flasher and it's been fine for 2yrs.
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Old 02-21-2009, 10:47 PM   #8
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Since the left blinkers worked, I took the bulb out of the left and put it in the right - and vice vs. Not the bulb, the left did not work in the right but the right worked fine when I put it in the left. I think it has to be the wiring. But where does the break tie into the turn signals?

And RRisher, from what I've read, if the flasher module was bad, wouldn't both (Left and Right) be bad? And by flasher module are you talking about the relay on the fuse panel?

Thanks for all input
It's quite possible that the flasher cold be bad... I've seen that exact thing happen before with those little flasher relays going bad.

It's all about power draw, maybe its a larger load or something on one side and the flasher unit doesn't like it. Older bulbs can draw a little more than a newer one, etc.

I'd swap it out and see if it clears up your problem.

Also, has the blinker ever worked (on that side)...?
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Old 02-22-2009, 06:23 AM   #9
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Yep, the blinker used to work on that side. Has to pass emissions control here every year and has to pass a check for all lights, brakes, seatbelts etc.

I'll try changing out the bulbs (both sides) and the flasher to see if that makes a difference.

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Old 02-22-2009, 06:57 AM   #10
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Good luck, it truely does sound like the flasher or a bad filament in a bulb.
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Old 02-23-2009, 12:11 PM   #11
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no luck

Changed the flasher (thing next to fuses) and no luck. Anyone have any idea? I've just got to get this working before end of month, in order to pass emissions.

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Old 02-23-2009, 12:41 PM   #12
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Two questions: 1) Have the blinkers worked correctly since having the multi-switch replaced? 2) Have you by any chance recently installed a harness to run lights on a trailor of some sort?
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Old 02-23-2009, 02:42 PM   #13
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No Greg - haven't hooked up trailer, and they did work after the multi switch change.

I have a light blue w/ black stripe that was bare wire next to the harness connector, so I took it out of the pin (cut it) and connected it to a white wire that appeared to be the connection on the receptical connector. So it's not going throught the connector, just spliced together. But I'm pretty sure it worked after I did that. The wires from the harness do not HAVE to go through the connectors - do they?


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Old 02-23-2009, 04:29 PM   #14
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shouldn't matter whether or not the wire is plugged together or hard-wired together, as long as the wire from the male end of the connector is coupled with the appropriate wire from the female connector. Provided the signal lights have worked since the multi-switch change and nothing has been altered in the wiring to cause signals to stop working ( I'm assuming the signals worked after the LB/BK to white hard-wire ) the next thing to check for is power to the socket. Since a new flasher didn't help, and swapping bulbs didn't help, you must not be getting power to the socket. Could be a broke wire at the socket, front or rear. Did the lights just stop working, or did they quit after you made this splice at the connector? Might wanna recheck wire/pin orientation. have you swapped bulbs on both front and rear...sounds an awful lot like a bad bulb. Since one circuit runs the entire right side a bad bulb in the front or rear would cause this problem.
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Old 02-27-2009, 07:22 AM   #15
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pics - help?

Maybe someone can help me with these - I'm still strugling w/ this freakin blinker issue. Here is a pic of the right side rear light lamp wires (this is where the problems are)

http://www.lccr.net/Jeep/new%20right.jpg

There are two blue wires, are they ground? Looks like they were added at some point. I can't find any indication of their purpose and I've searched everything - for days!

Here is a pic of the left - no extra wires.

http://www.lccr.net/Jeep/new%20left.jpg

And here is a pic of the column harness connector. I've been trying (for days) to figure out the color codes - what goes to what.
http://www.lccr.net/Jeep/new%20column.jpg

I had a mechanic replace the multi switch at one time (and the blinker worked after that). But they did a real botch job. I found an old GM color code and read that they're the same. I'm not sure - anybody can tell me? And the GM coding I found didn't have the last three wires (lt green, tan and grey) - anybody know what those go to? I really don't want to take the steering wheel off to find that it wasn't an issue there. Please help!!!!!

I'm just going to edit this. I just tested the socket w/ a multimeter, if I put the black probe to the bolt hole (jeep) and the red to one of the socket metal things (inside - I don't know what you would call it), I get that it's flashing, jumps back and forth from 1-2 to 7-8. I checked the left and it's the same. But then I tried touching those two blue wires (I keep thinking are ground) to the same place for ground, and nothing. At least I'm feeling I don't need to take off the steering column, everything seems to work back to the light. ANY HELP is greatly appreciated.

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