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Unread 07-06-2012, 07:57 PM   #16
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That particular model was $16.00, O'Reilley Auto parts. Regionally prices may vary. Delco was about $29 but wasn't available at the time on this Island.

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yes I'm a some guy and have always put gasket sealer on my surfaces before mating
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Unread 02-27-2013, 07:07 PM   #17
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Great write up, helped quite a bit. I still need some assistance, hopefully some one did this not too long ago.

The Jepp will not start thru the key, but I can bypass the relay (paper clip), and start it up, so the starter is fine. I changed out both the switch and the key cylinder (it had been acting funky, so I figured I might as well), but it still not fixed. - All the pictures were a great help, really.

Does anyone have a part number for the terminal that connects to the ignition switch? The blue 5 wire/prong female? I can find the black 4 wire connector, but not the blue, for some odd reason.

The black and blue are based on the pictures above, which I assume to be the original terminals.

If anyone can think of any thing else I should be looking into, by all means.
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Unread 02-28-2013, 12:29 AM   #18
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I'm not sure about part numbers, you may be able to get the connector at a junkyard with a few snips. Why are you suspecting this? If you can start your Jeep by bypassing the relay, would this not suggest you have a bad relay? Which relay is it you are jumping across--starter? fuel pump? ASD?

Yes, the wiring shown in my photos is stock/original wiring. Are you working on your Cherokee, or on a YJ--I'm not sure but there could be some differences. Welcome to the forum.
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Unread 02-28-2013, 12:47 AM   #19
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Hi! thanks for the reply and the welcome!

I should have posted with greater detail.

It is a Cherokee, XJ, 94, 4.0, with the tilt wheel.

I did the bypass test on the road just to see if the starter was really dead or if it was a power issue (I think some one explained it to me to check on a fuel pump). Any how, I just remove the relay and connect the 87 to 30. Starts right up if the key is on the "on" or "start" position. Went out and bought a new relay, and nothing. Thought about it, and did some more proper testing to make sure the starter was getting enough voltage, and nothing (it is once the car is started), so I figured it was somewhere between where the relay sits and the ignition.

I have replaced both the cylinder and the ignition switch. The original switch looks as if it may have burned out on a terminal. The same burn/discoloration is more visible/apparent on the connector (the blue as in the above pictures).

I can not seem to find the right connector anywhere. Went to the one junk in the area with an XJ, and it (the connectors) were already cut out. Starting to think I will have to replace the terminals in the connector by hand, something that I have never done.

Just to clarify, I get all the idiot lights and I can hear all the pumps going when I turn the key to "start". It just does not crank.

**edit** I just noticed I am posting under the wrong forum....my apologies, I will find a similar topic over by the XJs

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Unread 02-28-2013, 02:21 AM   #20
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Hmmmmmm. Got me, try a PM to QUE89YJ, he may have the answer right off the top of his head, or at least a pathway to run thru. It should be working if you can jump across those 2 terminals and it cranks--should do the same with a good relay. I have had an odd problem similar wherein the post on the relay "pushed out" the other connector from the terminal block and therefore wouldn't make contact, but it seems if this were the case, you'd perhaps get similar from the paperclip.
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Unread 02-28-2013, 05:52 AM   #21
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If the relay power side works you need to see if there is voltage to the control side of the relay. Does the relay pull in when you turn the key? Check voltage on pins 85 and 86 of the starter relay when you are trying to start it. Your troubleshooting showed it's a control side issue.
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Unread 02-28-2013, 04:33 PM   #22
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What do you mean by pull?

I read on another portion of the forum about the neutral safety switch, so I started the car (jumping the relay) and saw that my reverse lights are not working when I shift it to reverse (it is an automatic), indicating a possible issue with the NSS.

Before I start to fool around with it, and please forgive my ignorance, but the NSS works at the ignition level, not at the starter? In other words, if the NSS switch was bad, could I still "jump" the starter at the relay?

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Unread 02-28-2013, 05:18 PM   #23
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Does it click when you turn the key to start? It will take 2 people to check it.
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Unread 02-28-2013, 05:37 PM   #24
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Yes, we noticed a click by where all the realys/fuses sit. You can feel it, but we can not seem to pinpoint which relay. I did remove the metal bracket, and looked/tugged at the wires underneath, and it did not fix the issue. All the fuses are fine, and the stater.relay is brand new
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Unread 10-23-2013, 08:49 PM   #25
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Thanks for this write-up. It got me right through this project tonight!
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Unread 10-23-2013, 09:09 PM   #26
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Thanks for this write-up. It got me right through this project tonight!
Glad to see it's helping.
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Unread 12-16-2013, 05:17 PM   #27
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Great post!

I used this post today to fix the same problem. Mine was my accessories got overheated from a car starter being hooked up bad. Thanks for such an informative post.
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Unread 02-07-2014, 11:27 AM   #28
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I have a question regarding a hard to turn key. The ignition switch works fine but my wife can't turn the key to start it. I have no problem but it is hard to turn. Starts right up when I do so. Is it Is it just the ignition cylinder? Any help is greatly appreciated.
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Unread 02-07-2014, 11:35 AM   #29
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Sounds like the cylinder or the rod that connects it to the switch is binding.
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Unread 02-07-2014, 11:56 AM   #30
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Thanks Que89YJ, is there a way to find out which it is? or should i just replace both to be on the safe side?
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