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post #1 of 15 Old 09-02-2006, 03:03 PM Thread Starter
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Hi Guys,

How hard is ti to change the upper and lower ball joints? Do I need any special tools, do I need to remove the axle shafts?

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umm they are not too hard at all..u need a special tool for it tho..it kinda looks like a fork with 2 prongs....and no u should not need to remove the axle shaft well im pretty sure u dont cant think right now so sorry
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remove the brakes, pull the hub, remove the axle. Get yourself a ball joint press (looks like a c-clamp) push out the old install the new. You could use a pickle fork but the ball joint press is much easier. You will also need to disocnnect the tie rod which is easy enough, or at least it made it easier for me. You can order the press from Harbor Freight pretty inexpesively.

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remove the brakes, pull the hub, remove the axle. Get yourself a ball joint press (looks like a c-clamp) push out the old install the new. You could use a pickle fork but the ball joint press is much easier. You will also need to disocnnect the tie rod which is easy enough, or at least it made it easier for me. You can order the press from Harbor Freight pretty inexpesively.
If I use the fork do I still need to remove the axle and is the press needed to install the new ball joints?
I'm in New Zealand and don't know where to get a ball joint press here.

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i dont recommend doing it without a ball joint press.
you'll need 2 special cups to go along with the press.
http://search.ebay.com/search/search...ll+joint+press

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Like Erik said, dont try this without a press. Harbor Freight has one for about 30 bucks, and frankly, its a tool all Jeepers should have. I have one and use it regularly for u-joints as well. Also Like Erik said, you need an adapter, but I found some scrap in my pile (actually the eye end of an old Rough Country leaf spring) that was the perfect size

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get the harbor freight kit if at all possible. makes the job SUPER EASY!

and a little tip.


TOP OUT FIRST, IN LAST.


in other words, take the top ball joint out first, and put the new one in last.



I don't see how there is ANY way you could replace them without pulling the axles. for that matter, I"m a little stumped as to how you remove ball joints with the pickle fork tool.



this kit is EXACTLY and EVERYTHING you need.

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get the harbor freight kit if at all possible. makes the job SUPER EASY!

and a little tip.


TOP OUT FIRST, IN LAST.


in other words, take the top ball joint out first, and put the new one in last.



I don't see how there is ANY way you could replace them without pulling the axles. for that matter, I"m a little stumped as to how you remove ball joints with the pickle fork tool.



this kit is EXACTLY and EVERYTHING you need.

I've emailed Harbour Freight for a shipping cost to New Zealand. The problem is that buying stuff with a credit card that is not registered in the States can quite often be a bit of a nightmare to set up (ID, proof of address etc) and with the cost of shipping it can be as cheap to get a garage to do the work for you, although I will probably need them again anyway.
Quadratec do some kits but the photos are of the same one and I'm not sure which one I need (I have set up the credit card with Quadratec so it's a bit easier from them) .

Thanks for all the help.

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If I use the fork do I still need to remove the axle and is the press needed to install the new ball joints?
I'm in New Zealand and don't know where to get a ball joint press here.

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just to answer the question, I believe you do because the way the fork works is you loosen the castle nuts a bit. Then you put the fork between the knuckle and the axle. I don't think the castle nuts will come completely off without removing the axle.

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just to answer the question, I believe you do because the way the fork works is you loosen the castle nuts a bit. Then you put the fork between the knuckle and the axle. I don't think the castle nuts will come completely off without removing the axle.
i think you are thinking about the tie rod ends, not the ball joints. you do need the pickel fork to seperate those, but theres no way the fork would work on the ball joints.

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i think you are thinking about the tie rod ends, not the ball joints. you do need the pickel fork to seperate those, but theres no way the fork would work on the ball joints.
almost true.
the pickle fork wont do squat for the ball joints. you dont need it for the tre's either.
just pry up on the rod you want to remove from the knuckle, and smack the knuckle next to the tre. it will pop right out.

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i think you are thinking about the tie rod ends, not the ball joints. you do need the pickel fork to seperate those, but theres no way the fork would work on the ball joints.
Then some one needs to go to the local parts stores and tell them they have a tool labeled wrong. It specifically says ball joint separator on the tool itself. There are a couple of different forks with different size spread in them. However this is also why I stated to use the press. I know they use them for tie rods too but I never had to just a good whack with a sledge to the end of the rod and it drops right out. I know it works for releasing the top one but I have know idea how it works for the lower but I've seen it done many times.

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where do you propose to put this pickle fork to remove the ball joints?

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here is how to change a ball joint.




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where do you propose to put this pickle fork to remove the ball joints?
As I said I did not use this method, when I had seen it done they had it between the ball and the knuckle itself and used an air hammer and the ball joint popped right up. Not sure why this thread has diverted to me. I had suggested the use of the press in the original response. If I can get there before close I will take a pick of one at the parts store with my phone. If this is just a matter of people wanting to be right then hell I'm wrong . I Never saw it done with a pickle fork before.? I think the purpose was how to help this kid change his joints in the easiest way possible. SO again suggested in the first response use a press. I believe that is the direction he is going anyway. I have the press sitting right here in my room in its case as well.

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