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Unread 04-29-2013, 02:12 PM   #1
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ax5 not going into gear

Well it had been getting worse for the past month, but i believe my tranny or clutch went out. It shifts smoothly when the car is off, but while the car is on, it will barely go into gear. I have to push VERY hard for it to go into gear and when it does it does not sound smooth at all. I was hoping somebody could tell me if it was a clutch or tranny problem. thanks

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Unread 04-29-2013, 02:38 PM   #2
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Normally you would look to the clutch first from your description. Check the fluid level in the master, if its low look on the firewall in the cab below the peddle for evidence of a leak. If not there go underneath and look at the bell housing bottom for leaks you can also on the your four banger remove the inspection plate by removing the starter then the plate to see if the slave cylinder is leaking. If all else fails try bleeding before dismantling the jeep for any major work.
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Unread 04-29-2013, 02:50 PM   #3
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Normally you would look to the clutch first from your description. Check the fluid level in the master, if its low look on the firewall in the cab below the peddle for evidence of a leak. If not there go underneath and look at the bell housing bottom for leaks you can also on the your four banger remove the inspection plate by removing the starter then the plate to see if the slave cylinder is leaking. If all else fails try bleeding before dismantling the jeep for any major work.
^^^ Your issue sounds to be hydraulic related. Let's hope the leak is from the master cylinder and not the internal slave!
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Unread 04-29-2013, 02:50 PM   #4
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Actually i take it back, i am convinced it is a tranny problem. My clutch works fine now that i think about it. This "tranny" problem is hot and cold though, like this morning I drove to school it shifted fine, but then leaving school i had to start it in reverse, back out of my spot, turn it off to shift into 1st and then slam into the suceesding gears to get home a mile or two away.
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Unread 04-29-2013, 02:55 PM   #5
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If it is leaking, could it leak into a different part of the jeep? would it only leak while i am on the road driving? I made sure to fix any leaks so i could park in my driveway about 2 months ago. There are no leaks while I am parked, shifting was so difficult that I actually ruined my shift handle(it was corroding internally anyways)
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Unread 04-29-2013, 03:42 PM   #6
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OK the tranny first thing is when was the fluid last changed and what type are you currently using??? May try changing to a synthetic 75W-90 or go with a 10W-30 motor oil both are acceptable. Have you pulled the stick out and checked the bushing in the top loader under the boot may be all worn out. Couple things there let us know.
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Unread 04-29-2013, 04:26 PM   #7
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I changed the fluid in Feb of this year and I used 75W-90(synthetic). I am not really familiar with the bushing you are referring to but I have nothing but time today so i will get around to it soon hopefully. Pics would be helpful so I know what I am looking at
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Unread 04-29-2013, 06:15 PM   #8
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Here is what I was talking about
shifter-1.jpg   shifter-2.jpg  
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Unread 05-01-2013, 12:03 AM   #9
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I unfortunately had class after school from 2:30-9:30 so i only had time to check for oil leaks today. I see that oil is kind of coating the portion of my engine oil pan that faces the rear of the jeep and cumulates just below the engine fluid drain screw. It appears that the gasket/rtv sealant used to mate the transfer case to the engine is moist, but i'm not really sure why/how because isn't that a hollow space where the engine output shaft meets the tranny input shaft? (Sorry for my lack of knowledge haha)
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Unread 05-01-2013, 08:19 AM   #10
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That is the bell housing where the clutch attaches to the output end of the crankshaft.

Oil leaks are funny you have to remember the source isn't always where you see the oil. First there is gravity so it falls down the engine by the path of least resistance. Then there is all the air being forced though the engine bay by driving and the radiator cooling fan. So some detective work needs to be done to find you leak. The areas you mention are the common find areas where the oil drips from but not always the original leak location. You can clean everything up drive it a day or two and then go back and try to track down the source. If you have trouble ask at the parts house they make a dye that you can add to the oil and use a blacklight to fins the source if it eludes you in your search.

Common leaks on my Jeep are the valve cover which will appear as main seal leak. The dipstick, distributor, oil pressure sending switch. Hope that helps. Try looking higher up and forward of the bell housing.
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Unread 05-01-2013, 09:07 AM   #11
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Yes but your clutch slave cylinder sits there and when it leaks that is where it shows up. Sounds like you have a bad slave. I just replaced mine for similar issue. Sometimes it was fine other times not so much. I am lucky though I have an external slave.
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Unread 05-01-2013, 01:30 PM   #12
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So i need to check the shifting tower bushing, investigate oil leaks and look into internal slave maitenance. Is it a hassle to replace? I'm not familiar with this procedure so if you guys could point me to an accurate thread to study that would be great.
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Unread 05-01-2013, 02:33 PM   #13
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I have the same problem on my 99 4.0 5 speed. It only happens after driving for an hour or so. When I come to a stop its very hard to go from neutral to 1. And then i tried going into reverse and it was grinding with the clutch all the way down. I think i'll check my clutch fluid as i read above. I didn't know where that reservoir was before. Probably doesn't help that i got a bunch of water in my trans last year...... Maybe i'll try the pennzoil synchromesh as well.
I was reading around and I saw this guys predicament. I know he has 99 4.0 5 speed but, he has the already mentioned near impossible shifting. I think I forgot to mention the shifting into reverse part. Almost ever since I got my Jeep, it has grinded when i shifted into reverse with the clutch pedal all the way down. If this extra information can narrow it down any further that would be cool haha.
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