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Unread 12-05-2012, 06:56 PM   #1
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ax15 help with finding parts

I am in the process of rebuilding my Ax15 I tore down the tranny 2 weeks ago at work. Because they have a 200 ton press (overkill i know but its all electric over hydrolic) I had to wait to put it back together because of two bad syncro hubs (the 200 ton press got em) tonight i finally started to press on all new bearings new hubs and syncro rings. I noticed i am missing the C-clip that keeps the 3-4 syncro hub inplace (even though i thought i was putting all peices in ziplock baggies and labeling them) does anybody know where you can find the C-Clips thanks for any help

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Likely the best place will be the stealership for snap rings. Since you don't have the old one to check for acid mark, here are the codes below. You can use a feeler gauge to determine what size you need, and ask for it by part number at the parts counter. I don't know if you can buy onsies, or if it is a set, but here you go.

There are a lotta numbers associated with all the AX 15 snap rings, hopefully they transmit without too much confusion. They are marked A, B etc on the ring itself with an acid mark.



Snap Ring for Front Bearing (Input shaft)

A- 2.10-2.15 mm 0.0827-0.0846 inches PN 8350-6099

B- 2.15-2.20 0.0846-0.0866 8350-6214

C- 2.20-2.25 0.0866-0.0886 8350-6215

D- 2.25-2.30 0.0886-0.0906 8350-6216

E- 2.30-2.35 0.0906-0.0925 8350-6217

F- 2.35-2.40 0.0925-0.0945 8350-6218

G- 2.40-2.45 0.0945-0.0965 8350-6219



Front Bearing on Cluster Gear

A- 2.00-2.05 0.0787-0.0807 PN 8350-6081

B- 2.05-2.10 0.0807-0.0827 8350-6082

C- 2.10-2.15 0.0827-0.0846 8350-6083

D- 2.15-2.20 0.0846-0.0866 8350-6084

E- 2.20-2.25 0.0866-0.0886 8350-6085



3-4 Synchro Hub Snap Ring

A-1.80-1.85 0.0709-0.0728 PN 8350-6086

B- 1.85-1.90 0.0728-0.0748 8350-6087

C-1.90-1.95 0.0748-0.0768 8350-6088

D- 1.95-2.00 0.0768-0.0787 8350-6089

E- 2.00-2.05 0.0787-0.0807 8350-6090

F- 2.05-2.10 0.0807-0.0827 8350-6091

G- 2.10-2.15 0.0827-0.0846 8350-6092



1-2 Synchro Hub Snap Ring (there is no “A”)

B- 2.35-2.40 0.0925-0.0945 PN 8350-6093

C- 2.40-2.45 0.0945-0.0965 8350-6094

D- 2.45-2.50 0.0965-0.0984 8350-6095

E- 2.50-2.55 0.0984-0.1004 8350-6096

F- 2.55-2.60 0.1004-0.1024 8350-6097

G- 2.60-2.65 0.1024-0.1043 8350-6098



5TH Gear Snap ring (13 of them, there is no “I” in this sequence. In another source, there is an I listed, and the sequence goes only to “L” Caution is indicated here as I do not have a way of reconciling this variance. The astute Jeeper will notice there is a predictable progression in the thickness measurements, as well as the PN’s here. Hopefully this will not derail a project, but in the end, you may need to purchase 2 sequential parts to get the one you need.

A- 2.75-2.80 0.083-0.1102 PN 8350-6268

B- 2.80-2.85 0.1102-0.1122 8350-6269

C- 2.85-2.90 0.1122-0.1142 8350-6270

D- 2.90-2.95 0.1142-0.1161 8350-6271

E- 2.95-3.00 0.1161-0.1181 8350-6272

F- 3.00-3.05 0.1181-0.1201 8350-6273

G- 3.05-3.10 0.1201-0.1220 8350-6274

H- 3.10-3.15 0.1220-0.1240 8350-6275

J- 3.15-3.20 0.1240-0.1260 8350-6276

K- 3.20-3.25 0.1260-0.1280 8350-6277

L- 3.25-3.30 0.1280-0.1299 8350-6278

M- 3.30-3.35 0.1299-0.1319 8350-6279

All for tonite, my fingers are tired and my eyes are crossing. Good luck to you.

EDIT--I noticed that I left out the entire series of PNs for the counter 5th gear snap ring, so here it is. I have found two separate listings of snap ring thicknesses here, one that starts with 2.85mm thick (A) and ends with 3.20mm (H) but I have never been able to find a PN for the 3.20mm ring. What I am going to present is the list that starts with 2.80mm as the A mark, ending with the 3.15mm which is marked H. As with all things internet forum related, there are caveats, but with part numbers and thicknesses, you should be able to at least have a starting point for your search to source obscure parts, and from my experience, it is getting harder to find these snap rings. Yes, they are advertised on numerous sites, but if you try to order, they tell you that they are discontinued/no longer available

Counter 5th Gear Snap ring

A 2.80-2.85 0.1102-0.1122 8350-6260

B 2.85-2.90 0.1122-0.1142 8350-6261

C 2.90-2.95 0.1142-0.1161 8350-6262

D 2.95-3.00 0.1161-0.1181 8350-6263

E 3.00-3.05 0.1181-0.1201 8350-6264

F 3.05-3.10 0.1201-0.1220 8350-6265

G 3.10-3.15 0.1220-0.1240 8350-6266

H 3.15-3.20 0.1240-0.1260 8350-6267
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Unread 12-05-2012, 09:44 PM   #3
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Opihi59'always has great information.
Before going to the dealer, double check with Novak adapters. Great tech support line. They just may have what you need at a reasonable price.
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Yep yep good luck finishing it up
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Went to the dealership today and ordered B snap ring hope it fits I measures the grove we will see how we'll I did
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If it turns out a bit too thick, I have honed them down in the past on a large flat hone. It works, but can take a bit of time even for just 0.002"
Better to be an RCH too thick though, than too thin--you can't cut a board longer.......
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I'd like to add an update to this thread, as I've torn into another AX15 and have stalled at locating some selective fit snap rings. I also play with Toyota transmissions, which are Aisin as well, and the shaft locations, snap ring thicknesses, and corresponding acid marks are identical in the Toyota R150 and R151F transmission for the input shaft front bearing, front bearing on cluster gear, 3-4 synchro hub snap ring, 1-2 synchro hub snap ring, but it is a little different for the 5th gear snap ring.

I'm not going to type all of that in this time, but you will need to consider this--Toyota lists in their FSM for the 5th gear snap ring parts A thru S, omitting the I and the O. Note that their A though begins with 2.65-2.70mm, B is 2.70-2.75 and C (which corresponds to the A size in the AX15) is 2.75-2.80mm. So this means that the Toyota congener for the AX15 lists 2 separate sizes smaller (thinner) snap rings here, and their sequence goes up to S which is 3.45-3.50 so they also have 2 thicker sizes in their sequence as well. You should be able to figure out the corresponding acid marks to whatever size it is you may need in this. I do not have a list of Toyota part numbers for all these parts like I do for the Jeep trannies as I listed above.

I've had better luck in the past getting older obscure parts from Toyota than Jeep lately, but here's the caveat. I haven't put this to the test yet in availability or in the application, but tomorrow I am going to call my Toyota parts place and see what I can get from them, and if it works, then I'll post back in here and let all you transmission rebuilders know how it turns out. I should be able to get my favorite Toyota counter guy to print me off the list of all the Toyota part numbers and I'll post those in.
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Okay, so figured I'd post in the feedback. Omix ADA told me they no longer make the snap rings, so if you find that brand on ebay, they are dwindling supplies. There are a number of places to get these off ebay and the internet, but the price is ridiculous, and the shipping either cost-prohibitive, or they would not ship to Hawaii. I did order parts from Toyota, and the snap rings are the same, so here are all the Toyota part numbers with various commentary. Should you find your experience with this to be different, I'd like to know. While this information likely belongs somewhere else, I'm not sure where to put it, so I may send it all to Mean Max and have him add it to a transmission overhaul thread or something, or just start a new thread just for AX15 snaprings.

TOYOTA PNs for R151F transmission

Snap ring for front bearing (Input shaft)

A- 2.10-2.15 mm 90520-38008
B- 2.15-2.20 90520-38009
C- 2.20-2.25 90520-38010
D- 2.25-2.30 90520-38011
E- 2.30-2.35 90520-38012
F- 2.35-2.40 90520-38013
G- 2.40-2.45 90520-38014

Front bearing on cluster gear

A- 2.00-2.05 90520-23037
B- 2.05-2.10 90520-23038
C- 2.10-2.15 90520-23039
D- 2.15-2.20 90520-23040
E- 2.20-2.25 90520-23041

3-4 Synchro Hub snap ring

A-1.80-1.85 90520-30014
B- 1.85-1.90 90520-30015
C-1.90-1.95 90520-30016
D- 1.95-2.00 90520-30017
E- 2.00-2.05 90520-30018
F- 2.05-2.10 90520-30019
G- 2.10-2.15 90520-30020

1-2 Synchro Hub snap ring Jeep does not have an ďAĒ in their sequence in this snap ring

A-2.30-2.35 90520-36007
B- 2.35-2.40 90520-36008
C- 2.40-2.45 90520-36009
D- 2.45-2.50 90520-36010
E- 2.50-2.55 90520-36011
F- 2.55-2.60 90520-36012
G- 2.60-2.65 90520-36013

5TH Gearsnap ring numerous differences here, 2 thinner sizes, 3 thicker sizes, and the part numbers do not always follow a predictable sequence.

A- 2.65-2.70 90520-28031
B- 2.70-2.75 90520-28032
C- 2.75-2.80 90520-28033
D- 2.80-2.85 90520-28034
E- 2.85-2.90 90520-28035
F- 2.90-2.95 90520-28037
G- 2.95-3.00 90520-28039
H- 3.00-3.05 90520-28042
J- 3.05-3.10 90520-28043
K- 3.10-3.15 90520-28045
L- 3.15-3.20 90520-28046
M- 3.20-3.25 90520-28047
N- 3.25-3.30 90520-28048
P- 3.30-3.35 90520-28049
Q- 3.35-3.40 90520-28050
R- 3.40-3.45 90520-28051
S- 3.45-3.50 90520-28052

Yes, you noticed I did not include the decimal equivalents alongside the metric thicknesses. If itís important to you, some of these match the Jeep list, so look at that posting above, or just convert for yourself.

Also, Toyota does not have an equivalent for the 5th gear on the counter shaft snap ring--they use a staked nut here without snap rings.
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Just adding in, I have replaced 5 snap rings in AX15s in various positions in 3 rebuilds in the last few weeks, and every single one has been the proper fit. So if you can't find Jeep snap rings, or you find that whatever the going price + shipping is outrageous, drop by your local Toyota dealership with the part numbers and order what you need--so long as it isn't the snap ring on the 5th counter shaft gear.
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What Toyota tranny matches up with ax15
Are the I.D marks the same
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Uncomfirmed I have been told/have heard that the rear case on an R151 can be interchanged with the rear case on an AX15 so that one can bolt on the Toyota transfer case to an AX 15. Yes, that T case is a passenger drop and would only be used in certain circumstances, but the main thing to remember is that I have not personally confirmed this, so you will need to verify this for yourself. The thing that I have verified/validated is the snaprings. There may be other internal parts, but you'll have to do your own careful research. Good luck to you.
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